---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/11/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? (Keith.Miller@esa.int) 2. 12:35 AM - Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB (BlueSkyFlier) 3. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (Galin Hernandez) 4. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB (Scott Stearns) 5. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (John Petrie) 6. 10:38 PM - Re: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? (Scott Stearns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Alfred , I ( and sure many others) look forward to seeing the performance model. >From memory I recall some time ago Rich or Mark or Vance stating that it was a "modified" 63(2)-215, not sure what it means but it may need to be considered. I also hope you find a suitable Prince Prop and get it approved by the PFA , and if you decide to sell the Chris Lodge Prop let me know , i am interested. Keith |------------> | From: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"BlueSkyFlier" | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |kis-list@matronics.com | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |11/02/2011 08:44 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |KIS-List: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Sent by: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi Keith Weather is still beastly hear, so haven't been down to the hangar again as yet. I'll measure up when I do and let you know. In the meantime have spent a weeks holidays building a complete flight performance model for the KIS from first principle aerodynamics equations, design data points and 63(2)-215 wing performance data. Will be sharing that with the group soon. The model shows that a 69 or 70" pitch will suit my need. But I need to be sure about the static RPM. So I'll be asking Lonnie Prince for torque curves for 70"x 68/69/70" to ensure that my engine can swing it fast enough upward from 30 knots IAS. Regards, Alfred. -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330560#330560 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:19 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB From: "BlueSkyFlier" Mmmmmm ... I'm scratching my head here (trying to mis the few hairs I have left :o) With some 30 years of working with these equations I struggle to understand how acceleration in itself can cause damage. That is why an autumn leave - though structurally flimsy - can execute maneuvers we can only dream of. So if you weigh less you can handle more acceleration ipso facto - no problem. Problem arises when your weight is unequally distributed (i.e. empty wings and two beefy occupants). That's when you'll break something if your don;t watch your G's. Strap in a most petite pilot and fill up the wings with more weight then she has and she'll be able to throw that plane around like you wouldn't believe - no trouble. Just my two bits ... - Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330563#330563 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:17 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Alfred; Glad you enjoyed the write-ups. We have more stories of other flying trips on our web page www.puertoricoflyer.com I also have a sample pilot operating handbook there. It is a very large file so it is best to download it frrom the webpage, "stories & adventure" section. Since I am a retired US Air Force officer, I can't fly without checklists so I have a set made up. I attached a copy so you can have an example. Have fun with your airplane and I hope you enjoy it as much as we are enjoyng ours. Galin N819PR On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:56 AM, BlueSkyFlier wrote: > > > > Hi Galin, > > Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that enjoys > flying too :o) > > I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to get > that done this year or next. Reading your travel log is useful and I catch > tips where I can for my check lists. > > Regards, > Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) > > -------- > _________________________________________ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:59 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB Careful with pulling G's.- It's a lot more than the wings.- The engine mount comes to mind.- It's still holding up a- 200-300 pound engine reg ardless of the flying wieght of the airplane. - Scott --- On Fri, 2/11/11, BlueSkyFlier wrote: From: BlueSkyFlier Subject: KIS-List: Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB Mmmmmm ... I'm scratching my head here (trying to mis the few hairs I have left :o) With some 30 years of working with these equations I struggle to understand how acceleration in itself can cause damage. That is why an autumn leave - though structurally flimsy - can execute mane uvers we can only dream of.- So if you weigh less you can handle more acc eleration ipso facto - no problem. Problem arises when your weight is unequally distributed- (i.e. empty win gs and two beefy occupants). That's when you'll break something if your don ;t watch your G's. Strap in a most petite pilot and fill up the wings with more weight then she has and she'll be able to throw that plane around like you wouldn't believe - no trouble.--- Just my two bits ... - Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330563#330563 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip From: John Petrie Hi Alfred, I was interested to hear that you are planning a trip from London to Cape Town and back. Are you going to be partaking in the Alex Henshaw challenge? I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, Chalkie Stobbart, broke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was subsequently beaten last year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by Tony Smith last year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia. Look forward to hearing more about your planned trip. All the best, John Petrie > From: BlueSkyFlier > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:56:06 -0800 > To: > Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > > Hi Galin, > > Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that enjoys > flying too :o) > > I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to get that > done this year or next. Reading your travel log is useful and I catch tips > where I can for my check lists. > > Regards, > Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) > > -------- > _________________________________________ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:42 PM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? One way the airfoil is 'modified' is that the control surfaces are triangul ar when the airfoil is very curved.- I think the problem is that the airf oil was not modified to match the triangular cross section of the flaps/ail erons.- Rich hotwire cut foam control surfaces to match the airfoil on th e prototype.- I kind of wish I would have done the same thing. - Scott --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Keith.Miller@esa.int wrote: From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? Alfred , I ( and- sure many others) look forward to seeing the- performance mode l. >From memory I recall some time ago- Rich or Mark or Vance stating that i t was a "modified" 63(2)-215,- not sure what it means- but it may need to be considered. I also- hope you- find a suitable Prince Prop and get it approved by th e PFA ,- and if you- decide to sell the Chris Lodge Prop- let me know- , i am interested. Keith |------------> | From:- - - | |------------> - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| - |"BlueSkyFlier" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---| - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| |------------> | To:- - - - | |------------> - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| - |kis-list@matronics.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| |------------> | Date:- - - | |------------> - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| - |11/02/2011 08:44- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| |------------> | Subject:---| |------------> - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| - |KIS-List: Re: SV: Prince P-tip Propeller Users?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---| - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| |------------> | Sent by:---| |------------> - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| - |owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---| - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| Hi Keith Weather is still beastly hear, so haven't been down to the hangar again as yet. I'll measure up when I do and let you know. In the meantime have spent a weeks holidays building a complete flight performance model for the KIS fro m first principle aerodynamics equations, design data points and 63(2)-215 wi ng performance data. Will be sharing that with the group soon. The model shows that a 69 or 70" pitch will suit my need. But I need to be sure about the static RPM. So I'l l be asking Lonnie Prince for torque curves for 70"x 68/69/70" to ensure that my engine can swing it fast enough upward from 30 knots IAS. Regards, - - - - - ---Alfred. -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330560#330560 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________________________________ shortcuts/#news ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.