---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/13/11: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:01 AM - CATTO 3 bladed prop (Galin Hernandez) 2. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (Robert Reed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:29 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: KIS-List: CATTO 3 bladed prop Is anybody flying a CATTO 3 bladed fixed pitch prop? I am thinking of switching from my current SENSENICH 2 blade on my TR-4 with a Lycomming O-360. Galin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:59 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Ted,=0A=0AWe both seem to have been great at selecting all the aviation orp hans.- We both =0Apicked a great aircraft, the KIS TR4 from a company tha t no longer exists.- We =0Apicked a GREAT engine, the Superior XP360 from a company that no longer exists.- =0AWe picked an engine management syst em that is still in my mind the best from a =0Acompany that no longer exist s and even though they were bought out by a company =0Athat does exist, the y have orphaned the FADEC system.- Then there was the =0ABlueMountain EFI S system that went out of business.- =0A=0A=0ASeems we are-good at pick ing some great aviation gear but we seem to have =0Aproblems getting our pl anes finished before everything becomes obsolete.- You =0Aand I know the value of what you have and we are both aware of how much we-have =0Ainves ted in our aircraft but that doesn't apply to everyone else.- Right now, if =0AI were looking to start on a project, I would have to admit that I wo uldn't be =0Ainterested in the KIS TR4 at any price, especially an orphaned one.- I am afraid =0Athat the only way we will ever be able to get anyth ing out of our planes is to =0Afinish them.- Even then, it will be diffic ult to recoup any substantial =0Aadditional investment if needed to complet e.- =0A=0A=0AThe market for a partially completed project, rather a KIS o r any other kit =0Aplane, is never very good.- We know what we have done and know the quality of =0Aour work but when anyone buys an incomplete proj ect they must discount for the =0Aunknown of workmanship quality.- They k now they-may find that some parts of the =0Aplane have been compromised b eyond use and therefore must be able to acuire =0Athose parts from the manu facturer.- If that manufacturer no longer exists, as =0Aous does not, the y may be sorry out of luck and unable to complete their =0Aproject.- Thos e facts have greatly reduced the value of our investment beyond =0Aeven the normal discount for a partially complete project.=0A=0AI hate being negati ve on this issue but I have faced that very reality myself.- =0AI either finish it or lose almost everything I have put into it.- I don't know =0A if I can help you or not but if you would like me to, I would be happy to a dd =0Ayour project onto my website (which I have also been neglecting) and see if it =0Acould generate any additional interest.- It still gets-pre tty good-ongoing =0Atraffic every month and I just renewed it for another year.- Put together a =0Acomplete set of photos documenting the project and its current status along with =0Aany written narrative you would like t o include.- I will add a section for your =0Aproject and highlight it for anyone coming to my site.- I don't know if it will =0Ado any good but I will give it a try if you will get me the details and the =0Aphotos.- Unl ike other sites, I won't limit how many photos you put on or how =0Amuch yo u want to document.- I don't have any limitations on how much disk space =0AI use so I don't have to worry about that.- It will be for all practic al =0Apurposes, your website.- Show and list all the parts and we will se e if that =0Amight be a buyer among those who visit my site.- It could be a big waste of time =0Abut-you don't have anything to lose, its free.=0A =0ABob Reed=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: ted =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, February 11, 2011 9: 22:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip=0A=0A--> KIS-List m essage posted by: "ted" =0A=0AThanks John. I am trying to s ell my tr4 and cannot get $47,00.00 with a =0Alycoming XP360 all balanced e ngine with a aerosance fadec system.The kit is =0Aabout 60% finished.I gues s there is not a market for these airplanes =0Aanymore.=0A----- Original Me ssage ----- =0AFrom: "John Petrie" =0ATo: =0ASent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:19 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip=0A=0A=0A> --> KIS-List message posted b y: John Petrie =0A>=0A> Hi Ted,=0A>=0A> I got $ 106k for it.=0A>=0A> John=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>> From: ted 51 -0600=0A>> To: =0A>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: wk.net>=0A>>=0A>> JOHN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR TR4 CARDINAL FOR?=0A>> - ---- Original Message -----=0A>> From: "John Petrie" =0A>> To: =0A>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 20 11 8:44 PM=0A>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>>=0A>>> Hi Alfred,=0A>>>=0A>>> I was interested to hear that you are p lanning a trip from London to =0A>>> Cape=0A>>> Town and back. Are you goin g to be partaking in the Alex Henshaw=0A>>> challenge?=0A>>> I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, Chalkie=0A>>> Stobbart,=0A>>> b roke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was subsequently beaten=0A>>> last=0A>>> year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by Tony Sm ith last=0A>>> year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia.=0A>>>=0A>>> L ook forward to hearing more about your planned trip.=0A>>>=0A>>> All the be st,=0A>>> John Petrie=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>> From: BlueSkyFlier >>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip=0A>>>>=0A>>>> --> KIS-List message posted by: "BlueSkyFlier"=0A>>>> =0A>> >>=0A>>>> Hi Galin,=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that =0A>>>> enjoys=0A>>>> flying too :o)=0A>>>>=0A>>> > I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to =0A> >>> get=0A>>>> that=0A>>>> done this year or next.- Reading your travel l og is useful and I catch=0A>>>> tips=0A>>>> where I can for my check lists. =0A>>>>=0A>>>> Regards,=0A>>>>- - - - - - Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30)=0A>>>>=0A>>>> --------=0A>>>> _______________________________ __________=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Read this topic online here: =0A>>>>=0A>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>> >>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =========================0A ======================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.