---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/14/11: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (Scott Stearns) 2. 07:05 AM - TR-4 sales (ALFRED ROSA) 3. 07:55 AM - Re: TR-4 sales (ted) 4. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (ted) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: TR-4 sales (Scott Stearns) 6. 12:41 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (Robert Reed) 7. 01:10 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (ALFRED ROSA) 8. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (Larry David) 9. 03:04 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (Mark Kettering) 10. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (ted) 11. 05:01 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (Galin Hernandez) 12. 05:24 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (ALFRED ROSA) 13. 06:50 PM - Re: TR-4 sales (Robert Reed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:37 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Do you have-the TR4 project-listed in trade a plane?- I haven't seen it there.- Also it might be worth putting on ebay and seeing what happens .. - I'd think about selling the engine separately.- The engine has a limited shelf life.- Also it should be pretty easy to sell since it's a very popu lar engine.- How long has it been since the engine was preserved? - Scott - - - --- On Fri, 2/11/11, ted wrote: From: ted Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Thanks John. I am trying to sell my tr4 and cannot get $47,00.00 with a lycoming XP360 all balanced engine with a aerosance fadec system.The kit is about 60% finished.I guess there is not a market for these airplanes anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Petrie" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > Hi Ted, > > I got $106k for it. > > John > > >> From: ted >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:15:51 -0600 >> To: >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> >> JOHN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR TR4 CARDINAL FOR? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Petrie" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:44 PM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> > >>> >>> Hi Alfred, >>> >>> I was interested to hear that you are planning a trip from London to >>> Cape >>> Town and back. Are you going to be partaking in the Alex Henshaw >>> challenge? >>> I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, Chalkie >>> Stobbart, >>> broke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was subsequently beaten >>> last >>> year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by Tony Smith last >>> year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia. >>> >>> Look forward to hearing more about your planned trip. >>> >>> All the best, >>> John Petrie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: BlueSkyFlier >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:56:06 -0800 >>>> To: >>>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Galin, >>>> >>>> Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that >>>> enjoys >>>> flying too :o) >>>> >>>> I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to >>>> get >>>> that >>>> done this year or next.- Reading your travel log is useful and I cat ch >>>> tips >>>> where I can for my check lists. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>>- - - - - - Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> _________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:33 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales From: ALFRED ROSA Hi Ted, Bob, You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an incomplete airplane. If you finish and get a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning to complete mine because I still love building it, but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out of a cowling. Al ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:00 AM PST US From: "ted" Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales CAN YOU PUT PLASTIC WRAP AND PEALPLY OVER AN EXISTING COWLING AND MAkE ANOTHE ONE OUT OF CARBON FIBER OR FIBER GLASS? ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kisbuilders Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales Hi Ted, Bob, You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an incomplete airplane. If you finish and get a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning to complete mine because I still love building it, but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out of a cowling. Al ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:21 AM PST US From: "ted" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip The engine was preserved as soon as I received it.It is full of preservitive and I spin the engine every two weeks to keep the engine .I had it listed on ebay and was offeredlubricated.----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:57 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Do you have the TR4 project listed in trade a plane? I haven't seen it there. Also it might be worth putting on ebay and seeing what happens. I'd think about selling the engine separately. The engine has a limited shelf life. Also it should be pretty easy to sell since it's a very popular engine. How long has it been since the engine was preserved? Scott --- On Fri, 2/11/11, ted wrote: From: ted Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 7:22 PM Thanks John. I am trying to sell my tr4 and cannot get $47,00.00 with a lycoming XP360 all balanced engine with a aerosance fadec system.The kit is about 60% finished.I guess there is not a market for these airplanes anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Petrie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > Hi Ted, > > I got $106k for it. > > John > > > > >> From: ted >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:15:51 -0600 >> To: >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> >> JOHN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR TR4 CARDINAL FOR? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Petrie" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:44 PM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> >>> >>> Hi Alfred, >>> >>> I was interested to hear that you are planning a trip from London to >>> Cape >>> Town and back. Are you going to be partaking in the Alex Henshaw >>> challenge? >>> I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, Chalkie >>> Stobbart, >>> broke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was subsequently beaten >>> last >>> year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by Tony Smith last >>> year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia. >>> >>> Look forward to hearing more about your planned trip. >>> >>> All the best, >>> John Petrie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: BlueSkyFlier >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:56:06 -0800 >>>> To: >>>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Galin, >>>> >>>> Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that >>>> enjoys >>>> flying too :o) >>>> >>>> I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to >>>> get >>>> that >>>> done this year or next. Reading your travel log is useful and I catch >>>> tips >>>> where I can for my check lists. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> _________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEB &nbsf="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matr============== ====== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:11 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales Another option is to make your own cowl.- Wrap the engine really well in plastic then build up a base of pour foam and start carving.- I think it would go pretty fast once you got going.- That's how the factory did it f rom what I saw.- I'd bodywork the part before you take it off the foam. - - Scott --- On Mon, 2/14/11, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales Hi Ted, Bob, You hit the nail on the head. -Not many are interested in buying an incom plete airplane. -If you finish and get- a registration number for it, -it's a whole another story. -I'm plannin g to complete mine because I still love building it, but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. -Pulsar screwed me out of a cowling. Al =0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________________________________ ______________________=0ATV dinner still cooling? =0ACheck out "Tonight's P ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:05 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales You should be able to make a mold for the cowl that way but just trying to =0Acreate one by application over an existing cowling-would result in a l arger =0Acowling than the original.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: ted =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sun, February 13, 2011 9:57:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sa les=0A=0A=0ACAN YOU PUT PLASTIC WRAP AND PEALPLY OVER AN EXISTING COWLING A ND MAkE ANOTHE =0AONE OUT OF CARBON FIBER OR FIBER GLASS?=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: ALFRED ROSA =0A>To: kisbuilders =0A>Sent: Monday, F ebruary 14, 2011 8:58 AM=0A>Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales=0A>=0A>Hi Ted, Bo b, =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>You hit the nail on the head. -Not many are intere sted in buying an incomplete =0A>airplane. -If you finish and get-=0A>a registration number for it, -it's a whole another story. -I'm planning to =0A>complete mine because I still love building it,=0A>but will probabl y be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics.=0A>=0A>=0A>Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. -Pulsar screwed me out of a =0A>co wling.=0A>=0A>=0A>Al=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KI S-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhref="http://forums.ma tronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> href="http://www.matronics.c === =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales From: ALFRED ROSA *There is no engine to build up around. A plaster female mould can be made over an existing cowling and then layups applied inside. It would be the same size as original. Anyone feel like pouring plaster over their cowling? * * * *Al* On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stearns wrote: > Another option is to make your own cowl. Wrap the engine really well in > plastic then build up a base of pour foam and start carving. I think it > would go pretty fast once you got going. That's how the factory did it from > what I saw. I'd bodywork the part before you take it off the foam. > > Scott > > --- On *Mon, 2/14/11, ALFRED ROSA * wrote: > > > From: ALFRED ROSA > Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales > To: "kisbuilders" > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 6:58 AM > > Hi Ted, Bob, > > > You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an > incomplete airplane. If you finish and get > a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning to > complete mine because I still love building it, > but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. > > Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out > of a cowling. > > Al > > * > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:25 PM PST US From: Larry David Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Ted, Have you tried Barnstormers: http://www.barnstormers.com/ I had good luck with them. A fellow at our chapter has bought and sold several planes/projects with them. Larry On 2/13/2011 7:59 AM, ted wrote: > The engine was preserved as soon as I received it.It is full of > preservitiveand I spin the engine every two weeks to keep the engine > .I had it listed on ebay and was offeredlubricated.----- Original > Message ----- > > *From:* Scott Stearns > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 1:57 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > Do you have the TR4 project listed in trade a plane? I haven't > seen it there. Also it might be worth putting on ebay and seeing > what happens. > I'd think about selling the engine separately. The engine has a > limited shelf life. Also it should be pretty easy to sell since > it's a very popular engine. How long has it been since the engine > was preserved? > Scott > --- On *Fri, 2/11/11, ted //* wrote: > > > From: ted > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 7:22 PM > > > > > Thanks John. I am trying to sell my tr4 and cannot get > $47,00.00 with a > lycoming XP360 all balanced engine with a aerosance fadec > system.The kit is > about 60% finished.I guess there is not a market for these > airplanes > anymore. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Petrie" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > > I got $106k for it. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >> From: ted > > > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:15:51 -0600 > >> To: > > >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > >> > > > >> > >> JOHN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR TR4 CARDINAL FOR? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "John Petrie" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > >> > >> > > > >>> > >>> Hi Alfred, > >>> > >>> I was interested to hear that you are planning a trip from > London to > >>> Cape > >>> Town and back. Are you going to be partaking in the Alex > Henshaw > >>> challenge? > >>> I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, > Chalkie > >>> Stobbart, > >>> broke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was > subsequently beaten > >>> last > >>> year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by > Tony Smith last > >>> year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia. > >>> > >>> Look forward to hearing more about your planned trip. > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> John Petrie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: BlueSkyFlier > > > > >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:56:06 -0800 > >>>> To: > > >>>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> Hi Galin, > >>>> > >>>> Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a > wife that > >>>> enjoys > >>>> flying too :o) > >>>> > >>>> I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the > oven. Hope to > >>>> get > >>>> that > >>>> done this year or next. Reading your travel log is > useful and I catch > >>>> tips > >>>> where I can for my check lists. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) > >>>> > >>>> -------- > >>>> _________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Read this topic online here: > >>>> > >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEB > &nbsf="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" > target=_blank>http://www.matr==================== > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:39 PM PST US From: Mark Kettering Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales Hi Al, If you really can not find a cowling let me know. I have TR4 cowls for the 6 cylinder Continental and 4 cylinder Lycoming in carbon fiber. At some point I would like to sell one depending on what engine I will use. I am planing on using a 6 cylinder Lycoming so I think I will be selling the 4 cyl Lycoming cowling at some time. Mark -----Original Message----- From: ALFRED ROSA Sent: Feb 14, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales *There is no engine to build up around. A plaster female mould can be made over an existing cowling and then layups applied inside. It would be the same size as original. Anyone feel like pouring plaster over their cowling? * * * *Al* On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stearns wrote: > Another option is to make your own cowl. Wrap the engine really well in > plastic then build up a base of pour foam and start carving. I think it > would go pretty fast once you got going. That's how the factory did it from > what I saw. I'd bodywork the part before you take it off the foam. > > Scott > > --- On *Mon, 2/14/11, ALFRED ROSA * wrote: > > > From: ALFRED ROSA > Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales > To: "kisbuilders" > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 6:58 AM > > Hi Ted, Bob, > > > You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an > incomplete airplane. If you finish and get > a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning to > complete mine because I still love building it, > but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. > > Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out > of a cowling. > > Al > > * > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:29 PM PST US From: "ted" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip I tried Barnstormers with a full ad three times.Some one tried to buy it for $35,000. with a $30,000. engine.I do not want to give it away.I am not concerned about selling .I do not need the money now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry David To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:57 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Ted, Have you tried Barnstormers: http://www.barnstormers.com/ I had good luck with them. A fellow at our chapter has bought and sold several planes/projects with them. Larry On 2/13/2011 7:59 AM, ted wrote: The engine was preserved as soon as I received it.It is full of preservitive and I spin the engine every two weeks to keep the engine .I had it listed on ebay and was offeredlubricated.----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:57 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Do you have the TR4 project listed in trade a plane? I haven't seen it there. Also it might be worth putting on ebay and seeing what happens. I'd think about selling the engine separately. The engine has a limited shelf life. Also it should be pretty easy to sell since it's a very popular engine. How long has it been since the engine was preserved? Scott --- On Fri, 2/11/11, ted wrote: From: ted Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 7:22 PM Thanks John. I am trying to sell my tr4 and cannot get $47,00.00 with a lycoming XP360 all balanced engine with a aerosance fadec system.The kit is about 60% finished.I guess there is not a market for these airplanes anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Petrie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > Hi Ted, > > I got $106k for it. > > John > > > > >> From: ted >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:15:51 -0600 >> To: >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> >> JOHN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR TR4 CARDINAL FOR? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Petrie" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:44 PM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >> >> >>> >>> Hi Alfred, >>> >>> I was interested to hear that you are planning a trip from London to >>> Cape >>> Town and back. Are you going to be partaking in the Alex Henshaw >>> challenge? >>> I am based in Johannesburg, SA and a good friend of mine, Chalkie >>> Stobbart, >>> broke Alex's original record in May 2009. This was subsequently beaten >>> last >>> year by Steve Noujaim. Another attempt was also made by Tony Smith last >>> year, but this ended unsuccessfully in Nambia. >>> >>> Look forward to hearing more about your planned trip. >>> >>> All the best, >>> John Petrie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: BlueSkyFlier >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:56:06 -0800 >>>> To: >>>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Galin, >>>> >>>> Looks like you had fun. Count your lucky stars to have a wife that >>>> enjoys >>>> flying too :o) >>>> >>>> I have a trip from London to Cape Town and back in the oven. Hope to >>>> get >>>> that >>>> done this year or next. Reading your travel log is useful and I catch >>>> tips >>>> where I can for my check lists. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alfred (new owner of KIS TR-1 #30) >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> _________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330561#330561 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEB &nbsf="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matr============== ====== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:32 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales Use the inside of an existing cowl instead of the outside of the cowl to make the poured foam mold. This makes the inside part of the cowl correct. Then build up with fiberglass layers until the outside of the cowl is the correct size. Finally, sand to perfection. BUT the best way is when the engine is hung, then do the plastic covered / foam carving method already mentioned. This is exactly how I saw the factory do it on several occasions. Galin On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Robert Reed wrote: > You should be able to make a mold for the cowl that way but just trying > to create one by application over an existing cowling would result in a > larger cowling than the original. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > *From:* ted > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sun, February 13, 2011 9:57:09 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales > > CAN YOU PUT PLASTIC WRAP AND PEALPLY OVER AN EXISTING COWLING AND MAkE > ANOTHE ONE OUT OF CARBON FIBER OR FIBER GLASS? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ALFRED ROSA > *To:* kisbuilders > *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 8:58 AM > *Subject:* KIS-List: TR-4 sales > > Hi Ted, Bob, > > > You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an > incomplete airplane. If you finish and get > a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning to > complete mine because I still love building it, > but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. > > Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out > of a cowling. > > Al > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > ator?KIS-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navitronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales From: ALFRED ROSA Mark, The 4 cyl. lycoming cowling would be just the ticket if it's not too expensive. Do not need it right not but let me know when you're ready. Al On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mark Kettering wrote: > > Hi Al, > > If you really can not find a cowling let me know. I have TR4 cowls for the > 6 cylinder Continental and 4 cylinder Lycoming in carbon fiber. At some > point I would like to sell one depending on what engine I will use. I am > planing on using a 6 cylinder Lycoming so I think I will be selling the 4 > cyl Lycoming cowling at some time. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ALFRED ROSA > > Sent: Feb 14, 2011 4:08 PM > > To: kis-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales > > > *There is no engine to build up around. A plaster female mould can be made > over an existing cowling and then layups applied inside. It would be the > same size as original. Anyone feel like pouring plaster over their > cowling? > * > * > * > *Al* > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stearns wrote: > > > Another option is to make your own cowl. Wrap the engine really well in > > plastic then build up a base of pour foam and start carving. I think it > > would go pretty fast once you got going. That's how the factory did it > from > > what I saw. I'd bodywork the part before you take it off the foam. > > > > Scott > > > > --- On *Mon, 2/14/11, ALFRED ROSA * wrote: > > > > > > From: ALFRED ROSA > > Subject: KIS-List: TR-4 sales > > To: "kisbuilders" > > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 6:58 AM > > > > Hi Ted, Bob, > > > > > > You hit the nail on the head. Not many are interested in buying an > > incomplete airplane. If you finish and get > > a registration number for it, it's a whole another story. I'm planning > to > > complete mine because I still love building it, > > but will probably be selling it sans firewall forward and avionics. > > > > Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. Pulsar screwed me out > > of a cowling. > > > > Al > > > > * > > > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:28 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales This method will work great for a one off production but be careful to set the =0Acowling in a frame that will hold it steady and maintain the proper shape while =0Ayou pour in the foam.- The plaster mold process using the outside of the cowling =0Awould create a better option if you want to be ab le to create more than one copy =0Aand use the vacuum mold process.- =0A =0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Galin Hernandez =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, February 14, 2011 6:57:16 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales=0A=0A=0AUse the inside of an existing cowl instead of the outside of the cowl to =0Amake-the po ured foam mold. This makes the inside part of the cowl correct. Then =0Abui ld up with fiberglass layers until the outside of the cowl is the correct =0Asize. Finally, sand to perfection.-BUT the best way is when the engine is hung, =0Athen do the plastic covered / foam carving method already ment ioned. This is =0Aexactly how I saw the factory do it on several occasions. =0A=0AGalin=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Robert Reed wrote:=0A=0AYou should be able to make a mold for the cowl that way but just trying to =0Acreate one by application over an existing cowlin g-would result in a larger =0Acowling than the original.=0A>=0A>Bob=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: ted =0A>To: kis-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 9:57:09 AM =0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-4 sales=0A>=0A>=0A>CAN YOU PUT PLASTIC WRAP A ND PEALPLY OVER AN EXISTING COWLING AND MAkE ANOTHE =0A>ONE OUT OF CARBON F IBER OR FIBER GLASS?=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: ALFRED ROSA =0A>>To: kisbuilders =0A>>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:58 AM=0A>>Subj ect: KIS-List: TR-4 sales=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Ted, Bob, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>You hit the nail on the head. -Not many are interested in buying an incomplete =0A>>airplane. -If you finish and get-=0A>>a registration nu mber for it, -it's a whole another story. -I'm planning to =0A>>complet e mine because I still love building it,=0A>>but will probably be selling i t sans firewall forward and avionics.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Does anyone know where I can get a cowling for it. -Pulsar screwed me out of a =0A>>cowling.=0A> >=0A>>=0A>>Al=0A>> =0A>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Lis t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhref="http://forums.matroni cs.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>> href="http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A>>=0A ator?KIS-List" target=_b lank =0Arel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navitronics.com/" target= _blank =0Arel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com=0A> et="_blank">htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List=0A> ttp://forums.matronics.com _bl === =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.