---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/17/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:42 AM - DUST COVER (ted) 2. 08:24 AM - Re: DUST COVER (ALFRED ROSA) 3. 09:11 AM - Re: [QUAR] Re: DUST COVER (Conners, Jerry L) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: DUST COVER (Flyinisfun@aol.com) 5. 09:54 AM - Re: [QUAR] Re: DUST COVER and insturment panels (Scott Stearns) 6. 10:42 AM - Re: [QUAR] Re: DUST COVER and insturment panels (ALFRED ROSA) 7. 04:48 PM - Re: DUST COVER (Robert Reed) 8. 05:35 PM - Re: DUST COVER (ted) 9. 06:21 PM - Re: DUST COVER (Mike Pienaar) 10. 06:53 PM - Re: DUST COVER (ted) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:47 AM PST US From: "ted" Subject: KIS-List: DUST COVER I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER From: ALFRED ROSA THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. Al On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: > I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT > TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF > FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL > AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED > 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER From: "Conners, Jerry L" And something easily removable...having work access to 'behind the panel' from the 'top' has been important during the last 10 years flying N94K. Jer From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALFRED ROSA Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Importance: Low THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. Al On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential inf ormation and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is ad dressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by anyo ne other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and dele te all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:28 AM PST US From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER To make my glare shield I first taped and propped 1/4" foam across the top flat area so I would have support for cutting and fitting heavy construction paper that I bought at Staples. I cut and fit the paper to the rough size, sometimes cutting and taping it together for getting a closer actual fit. When this was done I laid up two layers of glass on the table that was large enough that I could cut out the pattern after the layers had hardened. I approximate cut this and re-fit it in the actual location. It was limber enough that the curved edges fit around the radius of the sides. I mistakenly over cut this piece when I scribed and cut it until it finally fit, which meant I had to make another lay up. Now before I fit this piece I cut 3/4" blue foam triangle pieces on the table say and fit them in place on what would be the underside of the glare shield, spaced about ever 6" running full length front to back. I then glassed them in place with two layers of 2" wide glass cloth. Be sure and give at least 1 inch clearance front and back so the triangle pieces don't hit the instrument panel or the rear mounting, how ever you support the rear edge. Having done all this on the table, now remove the supporting foam etc. that was used to make the paper pattern and begin to scribe and make the final fit of the actual glare shield. The ribs will support the open areas and give rigidity so you can lay almost anything on it when finished and it won't sag. The side curved radius can be fit by using a heat gun, getting the area hot enough so it will bend. When it cools it will stay in that configuration. I used Velcro along the lower edge of the instrument panel to hold it in tight and two plate nuts on top of the instrument panel to hold it in place. I let my glare shield extend forward of the instrument panel about 1 1/2" and put the rubber edge strip on for protection. I got some black material and using spray contact cement covered the top. Jesse Wright ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:25 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: RE: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER and insturment panels The best thing I did on my airplane was to take Mark's advise from a long t ime ago and make my panel so it can rotate down and be easily removable.=C2 - =C2- I have bellcrank bearings on the ends of the panel and all the tubes and wi res either have enough excess or exit the panel on the hingeline.=C2- I c an take out two screws and a nut and the whole panel folds down and rests o n the throttle quadrent.=C2- Also, all the wires go to cannon plugs on a plate behind the panel.=C2- I can remove or install=C2-the whole panel in about 20 minutes.=C2- =C2- There are pictures on Bob's site.=C2- It's really a must do modification looking back at what I've gone through in my flight testing. =C2- Scott --- On Thu, 2/17/11, Conners, Jerry L wrote: From: Conners, Jerry L Subject: RE: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER And something easily removablehaving work access to =98behin d the panel=99 from the =98top=99 has been important duri ng the last 10 years flying N94K. =C2- Jer =C2- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of ALFRED ROSA Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Importance: Low =C2- THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. =C2-I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups usin g the metal as a mould. =C2-Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft f oam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. =C2- Al =C2- On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLA SS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND US ED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 IN CH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. =C2- =C2-et="_bla nk">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_bl ank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- *My panel is fairly easy to remove but I have to first remove the yokes since they pass through the panel. I have a rubber vibration isolator at each of 5 mounting points holding the panel to the fuselage so I have to remove 5 nuts and 2 yokes to pull away the instrument panel. About a half hour job. * * * *Al* On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Scott Stearns wrote : > The best thing I did on my airplane was to take Mark's advise from a long > time ago and make my panel so it can rotate down and be easily removable. > > I have bellcrank bearings on the ends of the panel and all the tubes and > wires either have enough excess or exit the panel on the hingeline. I ca n > take out two screws and a nut and the whole panel folds down and rests on > the throttle quadrent. Also, all the wires go to cannon plugs on a plate > behind the panel. I can remove or install the whole panel in about 20 > minutes. > > There are pictures on Bob's site. It's really a must do modification > looking back at what I've gone through in my flight testing. > > Scott > > --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, Conners, Jerry L * wrote: > > > From: Conners, Jerry L > Subject: RE: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 9:09 AM > > And something easily removable=85having work access to =91behind the pan el=92 > from the =91top=92 has been important during the last 10 years flying N94 K. > > > Jer > > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALFRED ROSA > *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:18 AM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER > *Importance:* Low > > > THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I > will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups usin g > the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam a nd > cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. > > > Al > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted > > wrote: > > I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO > SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF > FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PA NEL > AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDE D > 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > *http://forums.matronics.com > * * > > > ------------------------------ > *This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by > anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you a re > not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > delete all copies of the original message.* > =AD=AD > > * > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:40 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Al,=0A=0AYou might find it easier to use a stiff wire mesh instead of the s heet metal.- =0AIt is much easier to mold and shape-the mesh than the s heet metal.- You can also =0Aeasily cut slits into it and then tie parts back together.- Once you have the =0Adesired shape, cover with tape and t hat sticky Saran wrap.- You can then layup =0Aover that.=0A=0ABob Reed=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: ALFRED ROSA =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10: 17:37 AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER=0A=0ATHANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. -I think I will cut =0Aone out of she et metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a =0Amould . -Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige =0Avinyl that I'm using for the interior. =0A=0A=0AAl=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Fe b 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote:=0A=0AI MADE MY DUST COV ER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE =0ALATER,COV ERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE =0ALAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO =0ACLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED =0AEXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL.=0A> et="_blank">http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List =0A>tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">h === =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:48 PM PST US From: "ted" Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THAT IS WHY I USED 1/4 HARDWARE CLOTH FOR THIS AND FOR THE ARM REST THAT I MADE TO COVER THE DOOR LOCKS AND HEAT AND AIR VENTS FOR THE BACK SEAT.WHEN THE ITEMS WERE FINISHED I REMOVED THE HARDWARE CLOTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Al, You might find it easier to use a stiff wire mesh instead of the sheet metal. It is much easier to mold and shape the mesh than the sheet metal. You can also easily cut slits into it and then tie parts back together. Once you have the desired shape, cover with tape and that sticky Saran wrap. You can then layup over that. Bob Reed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:17:37 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. Al On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion" rel=nofollow target=_blank>h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:03 PM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER What is 1/4 HARDWARE CLOTH ? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ted To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THAT IS WHY I USED 1/4 HARDWARE CLOTH FOR THIS AND FOR THE ARM REST THAT I MADE TO COVER THE DOOR LOCKS AND HEAT AND AIR VENTS FOR THE BACK SEAT.WHEN THE ITEMS WERE FINISHED I REMOVED THE HARDWARE CLOTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Al, You might find it easier to use a stiff wire mesh instead of the sheet metal. It is much easier to mold and shape the mesh than the sheet metal. You can also easily cut slits into it and then tie parts back together. Once you have the desired shape, cover with tape and that sticky Saran wrap. You can then layup over that. Bob Reed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:17:37 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. Al On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion" rel=nofollow target=_blank>h href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:44 PM PST US From: "ted" Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER IT IS WIRE METAL WITH 1/4 INCH SQUARES IN IT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER What is 1/4 HARDWARE CLOTH ? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ted To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THAT IS WHY I USED 1/4 HARDWARE CLOTH FOR THIS AND FOR THE ARM REST THAT I MADE TO COVER THE DOOR LOCKS AND HEAT AND AIR VENTS FOR THE BACK SEAT.WHEN THE ITEMS WERE FINISHED I REMOVED THE HARDWARE CLOTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER Al, You might find it easier to use a stiff wire mesh instead of the sheet metal. It is much easier to mold and shape the mesh than the sheet metal. You can also easily cut slits into it and then tie parts back together. Once you have the desired shape, cover with tape and that sticky Saran wrap. You can then layup over that. Bob Reed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 10:17:37 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: DUST COVER THANKS ALL FOR THE TIPS. There's many ways to skin this cat. I think I will cut one out of sheet metal and bend it to shape. then do layups using the metal as a mould. Then surface the whole thing with 1/4" soft foam and cover with beige vinyl that I'm using for the interior. Al On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:30 AM, ted wrote: I MADE MY DUST COVER WITH 1/4 INCH HARDWARE CLOTH LARGER THEN NEEDED.CUT TO SIZE LATER,COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE THEN WITH PEELPLY,TWO LAYERS OF FIBERGLASS,ONE LAYER OF CARBON FIBER THEN PUT IT ON TOP OF THE CONTROL PANEL AND USED CLEECO CLIPS AND WOOD BRACES TO HOLD IT IN PLACE UNTILL DRY.ADDED 1/4 INCH FOAM .ADDED EXTRA FOAM ON EDGE AT CONTROL PANEL. et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?="http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion" rel=nofollow target=_blank>h href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.