---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/22/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:08 AM - Landing the KIS TR-1 () 2. 07:31 PM - Re: Landing the KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier) 3. 07:40 PM - Re: 2010 Holiday trip (BlueSkyFlier) 4. 11:01 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (JOHN JACKSON) 5. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Holiday trip (John Petrie) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:53 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Landing the KIS TR-1 2/22/2011 Hello Alfred, You wrote: "All landings (about 13) thus far have been dead stick glide curves onto short final." Some questions if I may: 1) What indicated airspeed do you use during this glide? 2) What flap configuration are you using during this glide and touch down? 3) Do you use any power above idle prior to touch down? 4) Any further comments on landing technique? Thanks, OC ================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "BlueSkyFlier" Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Prince P-tip Propeller Users? > > > Thank you kindly to all who have responded with propeller and performance > information. Your contribution is very encouraging and will come in very > handy when I have to submit the prop change for approval by the LAA (i.e. > PFA) here in the UK. > > My current prop is a Chris Lodge 66.5" dia x 69" pitch. Static rpm is 2200 > and max rpm in level flight is 2500 at low altitude. However, with that > 2500 rpm I see 140 knots IAS - not yet quite sure how accurate that > airspeed indicator is -- or the rev counter for that matter :o). The > numbers don't really bother me either way, but I don't need numbers to > tell me that the thrust at low speed is less than I want it to be. The > aircraft makes that message quite clear when executing a go-round from > near stall speed - especially if you haven't yet had time to raise 2nd > stage flaps. > > The supposed nose-drop tendency of the KIS2 was a bit of a concern, but > can gladly report that in my case it seems to be a rumour. In any case I > have full oleo C172 nose gear fitted, just in case :o)) All in all the > KIS's performance profile seems to fit me like glove. All landings (about > 13) thus far have been dead stick glide curves onto short final. Long > straight powered finals have their use and place, but I avoid them if I > can. > > I agree with Hans Christian's comment about maintaining a fairly > flat/level attitude until main gear touchdown. With the laminar flow wing > the KIS2 does not like to have its nose pointed too far skyward and tends > to bite back with a forward rotating moment if you do pitch it up too > steeply, most especially so with full flaps deployed. > > With one stage flaps she seems very mild mannered and that is my preferred > landing configuration. Overall, I am quite happy with the handling, but > would just like a little extra ooomph! when I push in the throttle for the > odd bump or go-round. > > Seems that my Chris Lodge propeller will be fine for long range high level > cruising. So perhaps I'll keep that for the odd long trip and optimise the > Prince P-tip for more performance at the lower end of the range. > > Whilst I was evaluating the KIS type last year I read virtually every > message on this board - way back into the 90's. It therefore feels as if I > know some of your for quite a while already. Thanks for welcoming me to > the fold. > > Happy landings to all. > > Regards, > Alfred ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:47 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Landing the KIS TR-1 From: "BlueSkyFlier" Hi OC, Answered as per my direct mail to you. As concluded, best for everyone to use the technique they are most trained in. IMPORTANT: The KIS is not a suitable craft in which to attempt learning the technique I described. Best to pay for 15+ hrs of circuits in a 3-axis microlight to bed down the technique before attempting it on the KIS. Each to his own and none the worse for it. That's how we make the world go round ;o) Regards, Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331904#331904 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:52 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip From: "BlueSkyFlier" Chuckle ... not a bad idea John. Easy enough to hit the road through Bots to have a look at the Glassair in Windhoek (don't get caught speeding though :o). It managed to fly there at least, but from what I read the engine was fairly well cooked along the way. You already know how to contact the owner too. If memory serves he was planning to fly it back to UK this April -- things might have changed since I picked up that snippet of information. Cheers, Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331905#331905 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:04 PM PST US From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip Alfred=0A=0AWhere are you based?=0A=0AI fly my KIS out of Sleap and it woul d be good to meet up sometime.=0A=0AJohn=0AG-BZDR=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: BlueSkyFlier =0AT o: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011 3:39:39=0ASu "BlueSkyFlier" =0A=0AChuckle ... not a bad ide a John.=0A=0AEasy enough to hit the road through Bots to have a look at the Glassair in =0AWindhoek (don't get caught speeding though :o). It managed to fly there at =0Aleast, but from what I read the engine was fairly well c ooked along the way. You =0Aalready know how to contact the owner too.=0A =0AIf memory serves he was planning to fly it back to UK this April -- thin gs might =0Ahave changed since I picked up that snippet of information.=0A =0ACheers,=0A- - - - - Alfred=0A=0A--------=0A___________________ ______________________=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331905#331905=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip From: John Petrie Just spoke to the guy who was looking after the plane in Windhoek and they have just packed the plane into a container and it left them premises on Monday to go back to the UK. According to him, the engine is still perfect - the problems were created by water in the fuel. Chat soon, John > From: BlueSkyFlier > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:39:39 -0800 > To: > Subject: KIS-List: Re: 2010 Holiday trip > > > Chuckle ... not a bad idea John. > > Easy enough to hit the road through Bots to have a look at the Glassair in > Windhoek (don't get caught speeding though :o). It managed to fly there at > least, but from what I read the engine was fairly well cooked along the way. > You already know how to contact the owner too. > > If memory serves he was planning to fly it back to UK this April -- things > might have changed since I picked up that snippet of information. > > Cheers, > Alfred > > -------- > _________________________________________ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331905#331905 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.