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1. 01:29 AM - TRI - 1 (Robert Anderson)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: TRI - 1 (Mark Kettering)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: oops (Richard Trickel)
4. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller (Mark Kettering)
5. 07:07 PM - IO-240B With the 15V 60A TCM altinator (F. Tim Yoder)
6. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller (F. Tim Yoder)
7. 08:34 PM - Re: TRI - 1 (Robert Anderson)
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Hi Guy's
Cleaning out-some box's this past weekend I came across a brochure of the
original TR 1-
from KIS. If some one would like it, I'll send it out. It is in good shape
and may have a better home than with me. First response with a address gets
the prize. I only have one.
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Bob Anderson
Cruiser N949Y=0A=0A=0A
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Hello Robert,
I would like to have a scan of it. If you do not have a scanner I can scan it
and pass it along to someone that would very much like the original.
Mark Kettering
2856 SE Monroe ST
Stuart, FL 34997
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Anderson
Sent: Mar 3, 2011 4:25 AM
Subject: KIS-List: TRI - 1
Hi Guy's
Cleaning out some box's this past weekend I came across a brochure of the original
TR 1
from KIS. If some one would like it, I'll send it out. It is in good shape and
may have a better home than with me. First response with a address gets the prize.
I only have one.
Bob Anderson
Cruiser N949Y
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ALFRED
based on your short discription I think that you must of had some spped at
impact.=C2- The windscreen can be replaced locally with flat stock cold b
ent to the contour.=C2- Or you could make a pattern and use a little heat
to give it a little curve.=C2- If the tanks are not leaking I would bet
that there is no problem with the wing.=C2- The only problem maw be at th
e rear spar attach takinf an impact mave have loosened the spar bushings.
=C2- This is an easy repair.=C2- If need be you could remove the wing a
nd do a load test to limit loads with sand bags to satisfy th LAA. (Is Dona
ldson still running the show there).=C2- This is not complicated.=C2- S
till would liketo see some pictures
Rich
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com> wrote:
From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Are your rudder pedals safe?
Thank you everyone for commiserations expressed.
I am of course thoroughly gutted and miserable about the whole debacle, but
spunk is nonetheless slowly seeping back into the spine. Tomorrow we shall
take a serious look at the possibility of repairing the plane.
So very glad to hear that you are on the mend Rich!=C2- You are right, it
does take a lot to total her. You should see the other guy =C3=A2=82=AC
=9C and he was all metal. Suffice to say I now have a greatly increas
ed respect and appreciation for the strength of a composite plane.
Since the engine will need a shock-load inspection anyway I=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2ll have it zero-timed in case we decide to repair her. The engine
mounting and firewall seemed unperturbed on initial inspection. For the air
frame we have two primary challenges (unless others come to light tomorrow)
.
1)=C2-=C2-=C2- The LAA (PFA) here may argue that the spar was stresse
d to some extent =C3=A2=82=AC=9C to prove the integrity of the win
g is a tricky business at the best of times. Hence I=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2m all the more glad to see you back on the forum Rich. Your opinion will
carry considerable clout with the LAA. Since the wing tanks are not leakin
g I am thinking it can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be too bad, but what do I k
now? :o)
2)=C2-=C2-=C2- I shall be in need of a new windscreen because the che
wed-up elevator of the Cessna came slicing through mine. (I=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2m growing a beard now as that was as close a shave as I want to ha
ve for quite some time.)
The port hatch is complete unhinged =C3=A2=82=AC=9C hence my heada
che =C3=A2=82=AC=9C and the instrument panel is dislodged, but bot
h those should=C2- fairly straightforward to fix.=C2-=C2-=C2-With t
he collective knowledge and experience of everyone on this forum decisions
regarding the best way forward will surely be greatly facilitated. For inst
ance, a few weeks before the accident I spoke to a KIS owner here who descr
ibed his deregistered KIS as =C3=A2=82=AC=CB=9Cbent=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2. Quite likely that parts of his plane could be re-usable and I=C3=A2
=82=AC=84=A2ll follow that up. (He is now building a Glastar.)
John (Jackson), I would very much like to discuss the options you mentioned
. Could you please send your contact details via direct email?
And thank you also to Keith (Miller) for the tip about fixing the alignment
of the rudder pedals. Given opportunity, I shall implement that together w
ith OC=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pedal mod.
In case we decide to investigate the repair options further after tomorrow
=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s inspection I shall open a new thread for that.
Thanks again and best regards to all.
-=C2-=C2-=C2- Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller |
Hello Alfred,
Actually the drag is not eliminated even when there is thrust. It is still there
and adding to the total drag regardless of the engine power setting. Maybe
you can say that first the engine's power goes to this drag but that would be
nothing more than an accounting trick and is not actual.
A better accounting method would be to apply the engineering superposition principal.
Maybe this is what you mean by subsumed.
In ways this is esoteric and maybe I am being pedantic, sorry.
Regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>Sent: Mar 2, 2011 9:59 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: KIS-List: Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller
>
>
>Thanks Mark, so understood. That's why I said the prop has 'netto' thrust with
the drag you refer to already subsumed/eliminated when thrust is produced by
the prop.
>
>Different of course during deceleration, dive, idle and (god forbid) engine failure.
>
>Regard,
> Alfred
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| Subject: | IO-240B With the 15V 60A TCM altinator |
FYI,
I was fly a couple weeks ago and lost The Alt.
I determined that the Alt. was not producing power and removed it. I am
sure Cont. could have made that job harder if they tried.
I found the Alt. was ok but the Alt. Drive Coupling Assembly (P/N
635796) was broken, the Lord rubber mount came loose from the ss shroud.
Better if the Alt was bad.
The bad news is that Cont. wants $2077.00 for this part, no, the engine
is not included!
The not so bad news is that Drake rebuilds them and they can be had for
$600.00 to $900.00, with a good core.
I only had a little over 400 hrs. on the engine. I had to remove a Slick
Mag to get the Alt. out, so I had the mag 500 hr service done. New
points and replaced a bad gear. So for only a $1000.00 + I now have lots
of amps & volts.
Hope you have the "good" ones!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller |
If anyone it looking for a new fixed pitch prop you might check out Paul
Lipps' new design. He has had some pretty impressive results at the Reno Air
Races.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kettering" <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller
>
> Hello Alfred,
>
> Actually the drag is not eliminated even when there is thrust. It is
> still there and adding to the total drag regardless of the engine power
> setting. Maybe you can say that first the engine's power goes to this
> drag but that would be nothing more than an accounting trick and is not
> actual.
>
> A better accounting method would be to apply the engineering superposition
> principal. Maybe this is what you mean by subsumed.
>
> In ways this is esoteric and maybe I am being pedantic, sorry.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>Sent: Mar 2, 2011 9:59 PM
>>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: KIS-List: Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller
>>
>><bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>
>>Thanks Mark, so understood. That's why I said the prop has 'netto' thrust
>>with the drag you refer to already subsumed/eliminated when thrust is
>>produced by the prop.
>>
>>Different of course during deceleration, dive, idle and (god forbid)
>>engine failure.
>>
>>Regard,
>> Alfred
>>
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332581#332581
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Hi Mark
I'll send it to you. What you do with it-is up to you.
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Bob A
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TRI - 1
Hello Robert,
I would like to have a scan of it.- If you do not have a scanner I can sc
an it and pass it along to someone that would very much like the original.
Mark Kettering
2856 SE Monroe ST
Stuart, FL 34997
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Anderson
Sent: Mar 3, 2011 4:25 AM
Subject: KIS-List: TRI - 1
Hi Guy's
Cleaning out some box's this past weekend I came across a brochure of the o
riginal TR 1-
from KIS. If some one would like it, I'll send it out. It is in good shape
and may have a better home than with me. First response with a address gets
the prize. I only have one.
Bob Anderson
Cruiser N949Y
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