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1. 03:08 AM - Re: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING (Graham Brighton)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING (BlueSkyFlier)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: Zero timing a O-240-E engine (BlueSkyFlier)
4. 10:46 AM - Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller (BlueSkyFlier)
5. 12:39 PM - KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation ()
6. 10:05 PM - Re: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation (Scott Stearns)
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| Subject: | Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING |
Alfred,
Hope i'm wrong .. but if have wing root fairing damage and
damaged Flap hinge ... it sounds like u could have damage at the rear spar
attach point ..... mine fractured there during a forced landing ..and my
wing didn't have any impact at all ..
Attached are the Pics of my damage ... i have a fix under way but other jobs
are taking priority at the moment ..
Graham
KIS TR1 #80
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING
> <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
> Thanks OC.
>
> That confirms the thoughts I had. The difficult part is getting the plane
> upside down with gear and all :D. Empty weight without engine is ~ 720 lb.
> but nothing is impossible.
>
> I could use inflatable mattress to put pressure on layups from below.
>
> - Alfred
>
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| Subject: | Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING |
Hi Graham,
After working through the builder's manual over the weekend I arrived at the same
conclusion.
Rich did of course spot that in the first instance and said that repairing the
rear spar bushing would not be difficult. So I'm not too worried as we also did
not notice anything amiss there during the first inspection. I shall surely
take a closer look at that particular area tomorrow.
Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... Scott's advice to avoid dropping
the wing is sound, but I need to be sure about the spar after the unusual loading
from the top it got from the Cessna's tail section. By doing it myself I'll
learn quite a bit about the plane. Besides, it will save me a bit on the repair
and the repaint of the wing (and perhaps even reduce hangar fees if I reduce
the area occupied for the time being :o).
Will take some pictures tomorrow.
Regards,
Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: Zero timing a O-240-E engine |
Hallo Scott,
(Replying in this thread to your message in the "Wing Fairing" tread.)
Upon meeting, the Cessna's aileron and my prop shook hands first. Both being sharp
edged, that would have helped to take the worst edge off the engine shock
profile. The remaining stubs passed freely beneath the wing before splintering
further against the side of the Cessna's engine compartment - the alu panels
giving way would have helped to slow the engine down. The very tip of the quite
prominent spinner then got jammed somewhere on the Cessna engine mounting and
stalled the engine as the spinner's alu shell twisted somewhat - but no damage
to spinner attachment points or any other part of the engine assembly (besides
cooling intake and a slight shift on top left engine mounting rubber).
So, all things considered, the engine was spared as much as one could have hoped
for in any event. It does still turn over by hand with good compression and
no strange sounds. I'll do a compression check and starter churn check before
firing her up again - only briefly due to lack of air flow. Then we'll take the
engine off.
With a complete top overhaul (incl magnetos, starter and carb) done only 50 hours
ago, I am hoping that the inspection/repair can be facilitated/expedited by
taking it to the same shop. Hopefully they will allow me to do most of the stripping
and assembly - once again I'll learn (have rebuilt a couple of Anglia
and Suzuki engines in my misspent youth) and save a few bob too.
The forum information regarding alternator linkage will come in handy too.
Cheers,
Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Propeller |
With the aid of engine data provided by OC the engine power model has now been
completed as per attachment.
Note: The charts in manufacturers' documentation often exclude the lower end of
the rpm range (below ~1900) and therefore lines in those diagrams will appear
to be straighter.
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| Subject: | KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
3/7/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... "
Dropping the wing is a pretty significant effort, but there are some things
to consider that can make it much easier.
A) Be prepared to / plan to support the fuselage elsewhere and remove the
main landing gear. It is possible to remove and replace the wing with the
main landing gear in place (other people tell me), but every time that I
have done it I have found that wing removal and replacement went much better
with the main landing gear removed.
B) Have plenty of muscle / help available. Ideally 6 people -- two at each
end of the wing and (for installation) one on each side of the fuselage.
Have mobile cradles available for both the wing and fuselage if possible.
C) For reinstallation have a long tapered punch / line up tool and a flash
light and mirror available to assist in lining up the holes / bushings for
the main spar mounting bolts to go through.
D) Make provisions to drain / pump all of the fuel from the wing tanks and
properly store or give away that fuel prior to wing removal.
2) "Will take some pictures tomorrow."
Looking forward to seeing the pictures -- could you also copy me direct on
that email?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING
> Hi Graham,
>
> After working through the builder's manual over the weekend I arrived at
> the same conclusion.
>
> Rich did of course spot that in the first instance and said that repairing
> the rear spar bushing would not be difficult. So I'm not too worried as we
> also did not notice anything amiss there during the first inspection. I
> shall surely take a closer look at that particular area tomorrow.
>
> Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... Scott's advice to avoid
> dropping the wing is sound, but I need to be sure about the spar after the
> unusual loading from the top it got from the Cessna's tail section. By
> doing it myself I'll learn quite a bit about the plane. Besides, it will
> save me a bit on the repair and the repaint of the wing (and perhaps even
> reduce hangar fees if I reduce the area occupied for the time being :o).
>
> Will take some pictures tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
> Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
Here's a picture of the rig I built to install and remove my wing.- I-r
emoved and installed the wing-by myself dozens of times.- The final ite
ration had the 2x4s vertical instead of angled (originally I made to remove
the wing with the tail down).- I also had temper foam where the wing res
ted in the cradle.- It's on wheels which makes the wing easy to move arou
nd.
-
Scott
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
From: bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net>
Subject: KIS-List: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation
com
3/7/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... "
Dropping the wing is a pretty significant effort, but there are some things
to consider that can make it much easier.
A) Be prepared to / plan to support the fuselage elsewhere and remove the
main landing gear. It is possible to remove and replace the wing with the
main landing gear in place (other people tell me), but every time that I
have done it I have found that wing removal and replacement went much bette
r
with the main landing gear removed.
B) Have plenty of muscle / help available. Ideally 6 people -- two at each
end of the wing and (for installation) one on each side of the fuselage.
Have mobile cradles available for both the wing and fuselage if possible.
C) For reinstallation have a long tapered punch / line up tool and a flash
light and mirror available to assist in lining up the holes / bushings for
the main spar mounting bolts to go through.
D) Make provisions to drain / pump all of the fuel from the wing tanks and
properly store or give away that fuel prior to wing removal.
2) "Will take some pictures tomorrow."
Looking forward to seeing the pictures -- could you also copy me direct on
that email?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING
> Hi Graham,
>
> After working through the builder's manual over the weekend I arrived at
> the same conclusion.
>
> Rich did of course spot that in the first instance and said that repairin
g
> the rear spar bushing would not be difficult. So I'm not too worried as w
e
> also did not notice anything amiss there during the first inspection. I
> shall surely take a closer look at that particular area tomorrow.
>
> Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ...- Scott's advice to avoid
> dropping the wing is sound, but I need to be sure about the spar after th
e
> unusual loading from the top it got from the Cessna's tail section. By
> doing it myself I'll learn quite a bit about the plane. Besides, it will
> save me a bit on the repair and the repaint of the wing (and perhaps even
> reduce hangar fees if I reduce the area occupied for the time being :o).
>
> Will take some pictures tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
>- - - - - - Alfred
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