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1. 07:36 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
2. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Scott Stearns)
3. 02:07 PM - Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier)
4. 02:16 PM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
5. 04:26 PM - Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (Scott Stearns)
6. 04:29 PM - Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier)
7. 04:33 PM - Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier)
8. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Mark Kettering)
9. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice ()
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Thanks for all the sage advice guys.
I suspect most of you will nod approvingly upon the news that I have decided to
take the money and walk after scanning what is available on the market. Plenty
of good planes around to buy for the same money.
Another big factor in the decision to walk was that it became clear that the LAA
will be as uninterested and intransigent as usual. That escalates the price
that one gets charged for the job. Someone else commented on another web forum
that "it sometimes seem that the LAA consider it as their remit to ground everything"
and I'm beginning to see why he might have reached that conclusion. Almost
feel like going back to microlight again ... at least that association has
a positive can-do attitude.
I'll put in a silly bid for the salvage and see what happens. In the meantime I
am trying to reach Pulsar to find out about purchasing two new TR-1 wings. The
last edits to their web site were made on 1st of April and the SP100 (TR-1)
is still advertised as one of their products. So there seems to be sporadic signs
of life although none of the telephone numbers work and the email address
bounces.
C'est la vie :o)
Ultimately, any accident one can walk away from is still something to be thankful
for.
Fair winds and smooth landings.
- Alfred
P.s -- Rich, if you have means to reach Pulsar please let them know how to get
in touch with me or vice versa?
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
You could build a new wing pretty quickly if you could get a set of parts s
omehow.-
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You really only need the main spar and wing skins.- You could make the ri
bs and rear spar yourself pretty easily and you already have the flaps/aile
rons/wing tips and even those you could make yourself.- I made my own win
gtips.- (I have a set of factory wingtips if anyone ever needs a replacem
ent set.)--
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It might be worth it for Rich-(or Mark?)-to make the tooling just for t
he wing skins and spar-concidering there are other fuselage kits out ther
e without a wing.- It would only be three tools since the wing-is-not
tapered (top skin, bottom skin, spar).- I know-there is-at least one
fuselage kit owner with no wing.-
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The only-downside-is that the spar is-about 20-feet long-which ma
kes shipping-more of a challenge.-
-
Scott
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From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
Thanks for all the sage advice guys.
I suspect most of you will nod approvingly upon the news that I have decide
d to take the money and walk after scanning what is available on the market
. Plenty of good planes around to buy for the same money.
Another big factor in the decision to walk was that it became clear that th
e LAA will be as uninterested and intransigent as usual. That escalates the
price that one gets charged for the job. Someone else commented on another
web forum that "it sometimes seem that the LAA consider it as their remit
to ground everything" and I'm beginning to see why he might have reached th
at conclusion. Almost feel like going back to microlight again ... at least
that association has a positive can-do attitude.
I'll put in a silly bid for the salvage and see what happens. In the meanti
me I am trying to reach Pulsar to find out about purchasing two new TR-1 wi
ngs. The last edits to their web site were made on 1st of April and the SP1
00 (TR-1) is still advertised as one of their products. So there seems to b
e sporadic signs of life although none of the telephone numbers work and th
e email address bounces.
C'est la vie :o)
Ultimately, any accident one can walk away from is still something to be th
ankful for.
Fair winds and smooth landings.
- Alfred
P.s- -- Rich, if you have means to reach Pulsar please let them know how
to get in touch with me or vice versa?
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| Subject: | Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Since I am quite likely to fly a TR-1 again (if I'm not seduced by a snazzy CT2K
:o) I would like to clear up the remaining fuzzy point (for me that is) about
the TR-1 aerodynamic configuration which would enable determination of the optimal
location of the main landing gear.
Does anyone on this forum know the location of the the neutral point (Xn) of the
TR-1 in relation the mean aerodynamic chord (MAC for short). We know what the
CoG limits are in terms of MAC, but the distance between CoG and Xn is a very
important parameter in longitudinal stability and it would be great if such
knowledge can be shared if it exists (as I'm sure it must).
[The LAA here in the UK is of the opinion that the TR-1 has marginal longitudinal
stability and the original flight test results seemed to support that.]
It is understood that Xn is probably a locus and not a single point, but I'll take
anything I can get as starting point and work from that :o)
Thanks in advance.
- Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
If one is in need a new wing the shipping is a minor inconvenience.
Our aircraft are going to be around for some time and it is clear that the wings
are the most vulnerable (for obvious reasons).
So I'm sure that a number of wings will be required in future - at least two or
three already at this moment.
I'm hoping Pulsar can revive the TR-1 wing kit (at least :o)
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
I think the primary problem with longitudinal stability is the very low sti
ck forces in pitch.- This can be cured by adding an extension to the chor
d of the elevator.- I added about 2" in chord to mine and the stick force
s are much better.- I also think that the elevator extension-may cure t
he pitch down problem.
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What flight test data are they looking at?-
-
Scott
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com> wrote:
From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1
Since I am quite likely to fly a TR-1 again (if I'm not seduced by a snazzy
CT2K :o) I would like to clear up the remaining fuzzy point (for me that i
s) about the TR-1 aerodynamic configuration which would enable determinatio
n of the optimal location of the main landing gear.
Does anyone on this forum know the location of the the neutral point (Xn) o
f the TR-1 in relation the mean aerodynamic chord (MAC for short). We know
what the CoG limits are in terms of MAC, but the distance between CoG and
- Xn is a very important parameter in longitudinal stability and it would
be great if such knowledge can be shared if it exists (as I'm sure it must
).
[The LAA here in the UK is of the opinion that the TR-1 has marginal longit
udinal stability and the original flight test results seemed to support tha
t.]
It is understood that Xn is probably a locus and not a single point, but I'
ll take anything I can get as starting point and work from that :o)
Thanks in advance.
- Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Attached the performance figures of what is supposed to be a latter day hot ship,
the Flight Design CT-LSA. Doesn't that just show how effectively the TR-1 still
competes with the best. With MTOW the TR-1 with 130hp will manage over 1000
ft/min climb and the usefull load is effectively the same. Comparative takeoff
and landing distances at full weight are not different enough to worry about.
So the primary advantages of the CT-LSA lie in the ease of boarding (mainly of
interest to womenfolk), lower stall speed (if you can stop it floating of the
end of the runway) and some saving on fuel ( which matters only for long journeys).
On the other hand the TR-1 can be fitted with power to nudge it up to the
180 kts mark due to its much higher Vne -- and the TR-1 will surely fly quite
happily in conditions which will ground the CT. So, when the price is factored
in the TR-1 doesn't have to stand back for the competition at all.
Mmmm ... I'll have to go fly the CT2K then to make up my mind :o) IF I can get
the main gear position sorted out the TR-1 probably still holds the edge if the
price differential is big right. Now if we can just get a smidgin of factory
support again ... :o)
Now would you believe it!! ... as I was writing that I got a call from James in
the US asking me to send over pictures of my wing root dimensions so that they
can check it against the dimensions of the factory stuff. Spooky ... brrrr :o)
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Chuckle .... completely forgot to attach the CT-LSA peformance figures to previous
message, what with all the excitement of receiving a call from Pulsar :o)
Here it is ....
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
I am not sure if it would be cost effective but I could take molds off my wing
for the skins and make a spar and other molds if you and others needed replacement
parts. Of course if there were a few people wanting wing parts at the same
time then it would more cost effective.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>Sent: Apr 15, 2011 5:15 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
>
>
>If one is in need a new wing the shipping is a minor inconvenience.
>
>Our aircraft are going to be around for some time and it is clear that the wings
are the most vulnerable (for obvious reasons).
>
>So I'm sure that a number of wings will be required in future - at least two or
three already at this moment.
>
>I'm hoping Pulsar can revive the TR-1 wing kit (at least :o)
>
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>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337060#337060
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
4/15/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote: "..... the SP100 (TR-1) is still advertised as one
of their products...."
Pulsar changed the name of the KIS TR-1 to Sport 150 . See here:
http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/acft4/20.htm
The SP 100 is a different airplane. See here:
http://www.pilotmix.com/index.php?pgid=11&lang=en&maxInfo=169
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
> <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
> Thanks for all the sage advice guys.
>
> I suspect most of you will nod approvingly upon the news that I have
> decided to take the money and walk after scanning what is available on the
> market. Plenty of good planes around to buy for the same money.
>
> Another big factor in the decision to walk was that it became clear that
> the LAA will be as uninterested and intransigent as usual. That escalates
> the price that one gets charged for the job. Someone else commented on
> another web forum that "it sometimes seem that the LAA consider it as
> their remit to ground everything" and I'm beginning to see why he might
> have reached that conclusion. Almost feel like going back to microlight
> again ... at least that association has a positive can-do attitude.
>
> I'll put in a silly bid for the salvage and see what happens. In the
> meantime I am trying to reach Pulsar to find out about purchasing two new
> TR-1 wings. The last edits to their web site were made on 1st of April and
> the SP100 (TR-1) is still advertised as one of their products. So there
> seems to be sporadic signs of life although none of the telephone numbers
> work and the email address bounces.
>
> C'est la vie :o)
> Ultimately, any accident one can walk away from is still something to be
> thankful for.
>
> Fair winds and smooth landings.
>
> - Alfred
>
> P.s -- Rich, if you have means to reach Pulsar please let them know how
> to get in touch with me or vice versa?
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