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1. 06:51 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Mark Kettering)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Robert Reed)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
5. 12:04 PM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (ALFRED ROSA)
7. 02:10 PM - Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier)
8. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Galin Hernandez)
9. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Galin Hernandez)
10. 06:34 PM - TR-1 / TR-4 / Pulsar Super 100 (Robert Reed)
11. 07:25 PM - Re: TR-1 / TR-4 / Pulsar Super 100 (Galin Hernandez)
12. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (Larry David)
13. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (Scott Stearns)
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
Cheers.
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
That is not a TR1! It may be a TR4. I think it is what they are calling a Super
Cruiser 300. They also have what they are calling a 600 that is a six seat.
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>From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>Sent: Apr 16, 2011 9:49 AM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
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>That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
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>Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
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>Cheers.
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Sorry to jump in here with contrary statements but that photo appears to be the
TR-4 Super Cruiser,not the TR-1.
Bob
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On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:49 AM, "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com> wrote:
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> That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
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> Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300 aka
TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't have
a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera that
the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website,
but I don't think so.
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
And to round of the Pulsar product line story ...
Attrached a picture of the original SP100 prototype in the same livery as the other
two aircraft referred to in the earlier messages. The last information I
read seemed to indicate that the plans for the original SP100 failed to materialise,
so perhaps they decided to drop that from the product line. The TR-1 was
indeed previously renamed Super Pulsar 150 as OC said, but perhaps they have
now fixed the gear position problem on the TR-1 (looking at the photo of the
new SP100 type) and decided to rename that as SP100 instead.
I'll try to clear this up when I speak to the Pulsar guy again next week. In the
meantime I can report that Pulsar has said that they can and will supply new
wings for the TR-1. If that turns out to be true it would be good for all of
us.
Talk is cheap and paper is patient, I know .. so I'll see how it goes. No need
to warn me to tread carefully. I have been around the block in various parts of
the world :o)
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no
registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have
been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length
as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different
from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned,
these are Cruisers.
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>wrote:
> >
>
> Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser
> 300 aka TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they
> don't have a photo of it.
>
> You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly
> camera that the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different
> planes.
>
> Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
>
> Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
> website, but I don't think so.
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Does anyone know who originally did the aerodynamic design of the KIS airframe?
And how to get hold of him of course :o)
Thanks,
Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Having been to the PULSAR factory I can tell you that picture is of the 4
seat TR-4 derivative. It is a little wider and can carry a camera with
transmitter in the belly. The 6 seat version has not flown yet. PULSAR has
two different 2 seat aircraft. The Super Pulsar 100 and the 150. The 100 is
a derivative of the old PULSAR XP/II/III while the 150 is a derivative of
the TR-1.
Here is a pic I took of my airplane in the PULSAR hangar with the 6 and 4
seat airplanes. Mine still had Dave Tate's original paint scheme when the
picture was taken.
[image: DSCF1969.JPG]
The gray airplane is the 6 seater while the white/green is the 4 seater.
Galin
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no
> registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have
> been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length
> as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different
> from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned,
> these are Cruisers.
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>wrote:
>
>> bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>
>> Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser
>> 300 aka TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they
>> don't have a photo of it.
>>
>> You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly
>> camera that the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different
>> planes.
>>
>> Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
>>
>> Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
>> website, but I don't think so.
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
This one (SP100) is the PULSAR XP/II/III derivative and is nothing like the
TR-1:
[image: pulsar_sp100_prototype_154.png]
This one (SP300) is the TR4 derivative:
[image: pulsar_super_cruiser_300_aka_tr4_126.png]
I have sat in all 4 of the aircraft, (SP100, SP150, SP300 and SP600)
Galin
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having been to the PULSAR factory I can tell you that picture is of the 4
> seat TR-4 derivative. It is a little wider and can carry a camera with
> transmitter in the belly. The 6 seat version has not flown yet. PULSAR has
> two different 2 seat aircraft. The Super Pulsar 100 and the 150. The 100 is
> a derivative of the old PULSAR XP/II/III while the 150 is a derivative of
> the TR-1.
>
> Here is a pic I took of my airplane in the PULSAR hangar with the 6 and 4
> seat airplanes. Mine still had Dave Tate's original paint scheme when the
> picture was taken.
>
> [image: DSCF1969.JPG]
>
> The gray airplane is the 6 seater while the white/green is the 4 seater.
>
> Galin
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no
>> registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have
>> been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length
>> as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different
>> from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned,
>> these are Cruisers.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>>
>>> Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser
>>> 300 aka TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they
>>> don't have a photo of it.
>>>
>>> You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly
>>> camera that the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different
>>> planes.
>>>
>>> Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
>>>
>>> Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
>>> website, but I don't think so.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> _________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337141#337141
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| Subject: | TR-1 / TR-4 / Pulsar Super 100 |
I found the Pulsar web site (WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com) and after considerabl
e =0Aeffort was able to find a page that showed what they were calling the
Pulsar =0ASP100 and the Super Cruiser 300.- Web Page:- =0Ahttp://www.pu
lsaraircrafts.com/aviones-- The photos shown on the page were both =0Ao
f the same aircraft.- I looked all through the website and was only able
to =0Afind one photo of the TR-1 equilivent aircraft.- It was not on any
of the web =0Apages but was in the brochure that can be found on the =0Ahtt
p://www.pulsaraircrafts.com/proyectos-page.- The second photo on Page f
our =0A(4) shows the TR-1 aircraft in the hangar on the right side in front
.- That is =0Athe only shot of that aircraft that I could find on the sit
e.- The site doesn't =0Aseem very well organized and doesn't really do an
y of the aircraft justice.- =0AThey do have an interesting multimedia pre
sentation but even it only shows =0Aanimation and some of the original airc
raft.=0A=0ABob Reed
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 / TR-4 / Pulsar Super 100 |
If you look near the bottom of the multimedia page, (
http://www.pulsaraircrafts.com/home/multimedia) next to the girls in flight
suits, you will see a pink, yes pink, SP150 which is derived from the TR-1.
I took a picture of it during 2009 Ilopango air show. Yes, that is Rich
looking away so he would not be seen in public with a pink airplane.
[image: DSCF0215.JPG]
Galin
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
> I found the Pulsar web site (WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com<http://www.Pulsaraircrafts.com>)
> and after considerable effort was able to find a page that showed what they
> were calling the Pulsar SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300. Web Page:
> http://www.pulsaraircrafts.com/aviones The photos shown on the page were
> both of the same aircraft. I looked all through the website and was only
> able to find one photo of the TR-1 equilivent aircraft. It was not on any
> of the web pages but was in the brochure that can be found on the
> http://www.pulsaraircrafts.com/proyectos page. The second photo on Page
> four (4) shows the TR-1 aircraft in the hangar on the right side in front.
> That is the only shot of that aircraft that I could find on the site. The
> site doesn't seem very well organized and doesn't really do any of the
> aircraft justice. They do have an interesting multimedia presentation but
> even it only shows animation and some of the original aircraft.
>
> Bob Reed
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
I believe Vance Jaqua was involved. Unfortunately, he passed away a
couple of years ago. I can guarantee that if he were still alive, he
would have loved being involved in these discussions. Larry
On 4/16/2011 2:08 PM, BlueSkyFlier wrote:
> --> KIS-List message posted by: "BlueSkyFlier"<bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
> Does anyone know who originally did the aerodynamic design of the KIS airframe?
>
> And how to get hold of him of course :o)
>
> Thanks,
> Alfred
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| Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Martin Hollmann did the basic structural sizing.--Vance did some engine
ering and wrote the manuals.- Some of the metal-parts were copied from
the first generation lancairs as I remember.
-
My impression-is that-the aerodynamic design was basically doing what l
ooked right, which can be surprisingly effective-with a conventional airp
lane like we have.- -
-
Scott
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1
I believe Vance Jaqua was involved.- Unfortunately, he passed away a
couple of years ago.- I can guarantee that if he were still alive, he
would have loved being involved in these discussions. Larry
On 4/16/2011 2:08 PM, BlueSkyFlier wrote:
> -->- KIS-List message posted by: "BlueSkyFlier"<bleuskyfly@teledynamix.
com>
>
> Does anyone know who originally did the aerodynamic design of the KIS air
frame?
>
> And how to get hold of him of course :o)
>
> Thanks,
>- - - - - ---Alfred
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