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1. 05:49 AM - TR-1 Spar Repair Choice ()
2. 08:24 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Galin Hernandez)
3. 08:26 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (Galin Hernandez)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice (BlueSkyFlier)
5. 09:48 AM - Spar?New wing ()
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Spar?New wing (BlueSkyFlier)
7. 10:23 AM - Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 (BlueSkyFlier)
8. 10:34 AM - Door hinge (ALFRED ROSA)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Spar?New wing (Scott Stearns)
10. 11:37 AM - Re: Spar?New wing (Scott Stearns)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice ()
12. 12:19 PM - Re: Door hinge (kent pyle)
13. 02:37 PM - Re: Door hinge ()
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Subject: | TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
4/17/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is
possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't
think so."
With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web
site:
WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
and look at what you are seeing.
Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand observations
(thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what Pulsar has
done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place airplane,
combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150
specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a
trifecta.
Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at
all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
OC
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Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US
Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300
aka
TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't
have
a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera
that
the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
website,
but I don't think so.
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Time: 06:51:42 AM PST US
Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is
out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for
the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
Cheers.
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Here is a picture I took of the SP600 and the SP400 next to each other. My
airplane, with dave Tate's original paint scheme on it, is in the
background.
[image: DSCF1969.JPG]
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:47 AM, <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/17/2011
>
> Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is
> possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't
> think so."
>
> With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web
> site:
>
> WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
>
> and look at what you are seeing.
>
> Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand
> observations (thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what
> Pulsar has done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place
> airplane, combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150
> specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a
> trifecta.
>
> Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at
> all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
>
> OC
>
> ====================================================
>
> Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US
> Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
> From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
>
> Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser
> 300 aka
> TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't
> have
> a photo of it.
>
> You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly
> camera that
> the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
>
> Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
>
> Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
> website,
> but I don't think so.
>
> ========================================================
>
>
> Time: 06:51:42 AM PST US
> Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
> From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
>
> That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is
> out
> of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for
> the
> SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
>
> Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
>
> Cheers.
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337122#337122
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pulsar_sp100_aka_tr_1_193.png
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Sorry SP300 not 400. :o)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>wrote:
> Here is a picture I took of the SP600 and the SP400 next to each other. My
> airplane, with dave Tate's original paint scheme on it, is in the
> background.
>
> [image: DSCF1969.JPG]
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:47 AM, <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> 4/17/2011
>>
>> Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is
>> possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't
>> think so."
>>
>> With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web
>> site:
>>
>> WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
>>
>> and look at what you are seeing.
>>
>> Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand
>> observations (thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what
>> Pulsar has done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place
>> airplane, combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150
>> specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a
>> trifecta.
>>
>> Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at
>> all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
>>
>> OC
>>
>> ====================================================
>>
>> Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US
>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
>> From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>
>>
>> Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser
>> 300 aka
>> TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't
>> have
>> a photo of it.
>>
>> You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly
>> camera that
>> the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
>>
>> Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side :o)
>>
>> Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
>> website,
>> but I don't think so.
>>
>> ========================================================
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:51:42 AM PST US
>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
>> From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>>
>>
>> That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is
>> out
>> of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for
>> the
>> SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
>>
>> Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 :o)
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> --------
>> _________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337122#337122
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pulsar_sp100_aka_tr_1_193.png
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
Thanks Galin. That's why this forum is so great. There is always someone who can
separate the wheat from the chaf :o)
It is clear that Pulsar is bluffing with the SP100 then - now that makes me wonder
...
Having been to the factory Galin -- do you think it is worth me spending any time
pursuing a new wing from Pulsar? Hard question I know, but lay it out as you
think fit - via private mail if you prefer.
At least it could help me to ask the right questions when I speak to them again.
No names no pack drill of course.
Regards,
Alfred
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HI
Here i go again.[I previously queried about a new wing for a Light Sport
TR1 conversion.] so how about staying outside the box.Why not a local copy
of the original wing using some local proven methods[3 piece Jodel or T18
style],wood or metal spar and ribs,and Ceconite or metal covering.Use as
many of the original wing parts as possible.
A cordial relationship with your British "FAA" during the effort may
resolve a few problems and make the effort a satisfying fun project.
Hiding
Ted
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Subject: | Re: Spar?New wing |
Not sure I'm completely behind the swing of your axe mate, but as I understand
it a light sport conversion would have to be type approved before it can fly.
That is a whole different kettle of fish.
Be that as it may, most of us are quite happy with the way the original TR-1 flies,
so all I am after is to have a supply line for bog standard parts established
- wings in this case. If we can get at least a modicum of that support re-established
the value of our planes (to ourselves and others) will be retained.
So focus should first be on making the current fleet of owners happy by giving
them access to replacement parts - that in itself is good marketing and it is
the best kind one could get - honest and free.
In fact I'll stick my neck out and predict that, unless that happens, Pulsar will
not get off the ground (again).
Regards,
Alfred
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Subject: | Re: Longtudinal Stability of KIS TR-1 |
Thank you Scott. I have tracked Martin Hollman down, but I'll defer establishing
contact until I know if there is still life left in Pulsar - who knows, perhaps
they can come up with a replacement TR-1 wing that meets spec.
I'm not of a mind to flog a dead horse, so I'll let this one trot to its own tune
:o)
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The manuel doesn't give directions for attaching the aluminum hinges to the
fuselage top and only instructions for attaching to the doors.
Are they to be bonded using micro flox only?
Al
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Subject: | Re: Spar?New wing |
Hi Alfred...
-
Please be very wary of pulsar.- I don't know that they ever actually prod
uced a part or if they really have any tooling for a TR-1.- They might pr
omise you stuff just to get you to send them a check.
-
Scott-
--- On Sun, 4/17/11, BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com> wrote:
From: BlueSkyFlier <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Spar?New wing
Not sure I'm completely behind the swing of your axe mate, but as I underst
and it a light sport conversion would have to be type approved before it ca
n fly. That is a whole different kettle of fish.
Be that as it may, most of us are quite happy with the way the original TR-
1 flies, so all I am after is to have a supply line for bog standard parts
established - wings in this case. If we can get at least a modicum of that
support re-established the value of our planes (to ourselves and others) wi
ll be retained.
So focus should first be on making the current fleet of owners happy by giv
ing them access to replacement parts - that in itself is good marketing and
it is the best kind one could get - honest and free.
In fact I'll stick my neck out and predict that, unless that happens, Pulsa
r will not get off the ground (again).
Regards,
- - - - - ---Alfred
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le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Spar?New wing |
It wouldn't be all that much work to make tooling for wing skins and-the
spar.- I would just hotwire cut foam-tooling mounted on thick plywood,
cover it with aluminum tape, wax it-and layup the skins.- No joggles-
or-anything, just top half and bottom half.- You would need to-vaccum
bag it but only enough to hold the foam to shape while it cured.- You co
uld even make a half tool and glass the skins together later to keep the to
ol a managable size.- The spar tool could just be made from wood.
-
You would also be able to modify the trailing edge of the lower skin to mat
ch the triangular cross section of the-flaps/ailerons.-
-
Scott
-
-
-
--- On Sun, 4/17/11, tmclam@suffolk.lib.ny.us <tmclam@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wr
ote:
From: tmclam@suffolk.lib.ny.us <tmclam@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: KIS-List: Spar?New wing
HI
Here i go again.[I previously queried about a new wing for a Light Sport
TR1 conversion.] so how about staying outside the box.Why not a local copy
of the original wing using some local proven methods[3 piece Jodel or T18
style],wood or metal spar and ribs,and Ceconite or metal covering.Use as
many of the original wing parts as possible.
A cordial relationship with your British "FAA" during the effort may
resolve a few problems and make the effort a satisfying fun project.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hiding
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ted
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
4/17/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "It is clear that Pulsar is bluffing with the SP100 then - now that makes
me wonder ..."
I don't understand what you meant by "...Pulsar is bluffing with the
SP100...". Their whole El Salvador operation may be considered a bluff when
it comes to seriously producing and selling composite airplane kits.
Here is my take on the Pulsar in El Salvador situation.
A) When Rich Trickel left, 95 percent of their corporate memory and
composite technical capability left with him.
B) I don't think that Pulsar has actually produced and sold any complete
kits since the move to El Salvador. That's kits to be built by procuring
customers, not in factory prototypes or "one off" articles.
C) Pulsar existed as a build for speculation / custom order shop in El
Salvador and produced one or two completed airplanes for sale.
D) Pulsar in El Salvador is making some attempt at building / selling only
three airplanes or airplane kits. A two seater, a four seater, and a six
seater. Here is a quote from their Our Mission statement: "Today the group
supplies 3 types of aircrafts with capacity for two, four and six persons."
E) The airplane designated as the SP (Super Pulsar) 100 is the two place
airplane offering in their stable. You can recognize it in the pictures as
the one with the one piece canopy and windshield. The SP 100 is a derivative
of the original Pulsar line of aircraft developed years ago in Texas by Mark
Brown. Its construction method is distinctively different than the
construction method used by Rich Trickel doing business as Tri-R
Technologies.
F) When Pulsar bought out (took over) Tri-R Technologies and moved to El
Salvador they did not vigorously promote the KIS TR-1 / Pulsar Sport 150. I
am not sure if even one such kit / airplane was made from scratch there --
possibly the pink one that appears in some photographs on the Pulsar web
site may have been made there, but with many parts shipped from California.
2) ".... worth me spending any time pursuing a new wing from Pulsar?"
Getting major KIS TR-1 / Sport 150 composite parts from the people now left
at Pulsar in El Salvador is going to be a very dicey proposition.
OC
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
> <bleuskyfly@teledynamix.com>
>
> Thanks Galin. That's why this forum is so great. There is always someone
> who can separate the wheat from the chaf :o)
>
> It is clear that Pulsar is bluffing with the SP100 then - now that makes
> me wonder ...
>
> Having been to the factory Galin -- do you think it is worth me spending
> any time pursuing a new wing from Pulsar? Hard question I know, but lay it
> out as you think fit - via private mail if you prefer.
>
> At least it could help me to ask the right questions when I speak to them
> again. No names no pack drill of course.
>
> Regards,
> Alfred
>
> --------
> _________________________________________
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337217#337217
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Mine are bolted in place. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: ALFRED ROSA
To: kisbuilders
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Door hinge
The manuel doesn't give directions for attaching the aluminum hinges
to the fuselage top and only instructions for attaching to the doors.
Are they to be bonded using micro flox only?
Al
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4/17/2011
Hello Al, You wrote: "Are they to be bonded using micro flox only?"
I don't think that you can trust an epoxy flox mixture only to hold the
door hinges to the fuselage top. Sooner or later a gust of wind will
catch those doors when they are open on the ground and the hinge removal
force could be significant.
I used two 10 - 32 flat head Torx drive (6 lobe) machine screws to
fasten the fuselage side of each of my four door hinges into the carbon
fiber reenforced depressions provided for those hinge ends. I obtained
the screws from here:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/SSCFCMXS.cfm
The exterior hinge ends and countersunk screw heads are buried under
micro - flox filler, sanded to blend in with the fuselage top shape, and
painted for appearance.
The inside ceiling end of the screws are fastened with nylon insert stop
nuts and the extended screw ends cut and filed off to avoid banging into
the heads of occupants.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort
to gather and understand knowledge."
=
----- Original Message -----
From: ALFRED ROSA
To: kisbuilders
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Door hinge
The manuel doesn't give directions for attaching the aluminum hinges
to the fuselage top and only instructions for attaching to the doors.
Are they to be bonded using micro flox only?
Al
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