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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Cruiser door hinges ()
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Cruiser door hinges (Mark Kettering)
3. 08:06 AM - Re: Cruiser door hinges (ALFRED ROSA)
4. 07:48 PM - KIS accidents?? (Galin Hernandez)
5. 08:34 PM - Re: KIS accidents?? (Robert Reed)
6. 09:34 PM - Re: KIS accidents?? (Scott Stearns)
7. 10:12 PM - Re: KIS accidents?? (Larry David)
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| Subject: | Re: Cruiser door hinges |
4/22/2011
Hello Al, Long side on the doors will work better. If needed reshape the
hinge halves so that they will fit well into the recesses.**
Mount the hinge halves into the fuselage recess first. As mentioned by
Bill Schertz it is essential that the hinges line up in a 3 dimensional
fashion so that they do not bind.
The way to accomplish this is to clamp the door end of the hinges onto a
rigid bar (such as an aluminum angle) in an adjustable fashion. Then
place the fuselage end of the hinges into the recesses on the fuselage
and rotate the rigid bar as if the door was opening and closing. Adjust
the position of the door end of the hinges on the bar until:
A) The fuselage end of the hinges sets properly into the fuselage
recess.
B) There is no binding when the rigid bar is swiveled up and down
simulating the door opening and closing.
Then fasten the hinges into the fuselage recesses and remove the rigid
bar. When you build the doors in place on the fuselage (lots of fun) you
can eventually fasten the door end of the hinges into place on the door.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort
to gather and understand knowledge."
**PS: I don't know what kind of hinges came with the 4 place kit and I
don't recall what came with my KIS TR-1 kit (if any), but they were not
satisfactory. What I wound up doing was having Vance Jaqua make me a set
of aluminum hinges. You don't have that option, but you may want to
explore getting different hinges if the ones that you have are not
entirely suitable. Here is just one potential source:
http://www.guden.com/control-continue.aspx
A google search of aluminum hinges will reveal many other sources.
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----- Original Message -----
From: ALFRED ROSA
To: kisbuilders
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Cruiser door hinges
What is the correct orientation of the door hinge? Short side on door
and long side on fuselage or vice versa?
It fits the recesses better with long side on fuselage and short side
on door but I wonder if that would not provide
the door with enough clearance of the fuselage top. Need answer to
proceed.
Al
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| Subject: | Re: Cruiser door hinges |
The factory TR1 hinges were just short off the shelf hinges that you needed to
rivet on extensions. The TR4 hinges are much nicer. I replaced the hinges on
my TR1 with TR4 hinges that were modified to fit. I think Vance also did the
modification for me.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: bakerocb@cox.net
Sent: Apr 22, 2011 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Cruiser door hinges
4/22/2011
Hello Al, Long side on the doors will work better. If needed
reshape the hinge halves so that they will fit well into the
recesses.**
Mount the hinge halves into the fuselage recess first. As
mentioned by Bill Schertz it is essential that the hinges line up in a 3
dimensional fashion so that they do not bind.
The way to accomplish this is to clamp the door end of
the hinges onto a rigid bar (such as an aluminum angle) in an adjustable
fashion. Then place the fuselage end of the hinges into the recesses on the
fuselage and rotate the rigid bar as if the door was opening and closing. Adjust
the position of the door end of the hinges on the bar until:
A) The fuselage end of the hinges sets properly into the
fuselage recess.
B) There is no binding when the rigid bar is swiveled up and
down simulating the door opening and closing.
Then fasten the hinges into the fuselage recesses and remove
the rigid bar. When you build the doors in place on the fuselage (lots of fun)
you can eventually fasten the door end of the hinges into place on the
door.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
**PS: I don't know what kind of hinges came with the 4 place
kit and I don't recall what came with my KIS TR-1 kit (if any), but they were
not satisfactory. What I wound up doing was having Vance Jaqua make me a set of
aluminum hinges. You don't have that option, but you may want to explore getting
different hinges if the ones that you have are not entirely suitable. Here is
just one potential source:
http://www.guden.com/control-continue.aspx
A google search of aluminum hinges will reveal many other
sources.
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----- Original Message -----
From:
ALFRED ROSA
To: kisbuilders
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15
PM
Subject: KIS-List: Cruiser door
hinges
What is the correct orientation of the door
hinge? Short side on door and long side on fuselage or vice versa?
It fits the recesses better with long side on fuselage and short side on
door but I wonder if that would not provide
the door with enough clearance of the fuselage top. Need answer to
proceed.
Al
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| Subject: | Re: Cruiser door hinges |
Thanks, glad I asked before I did it the other way around.
Al
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After reading about Alfred's incident I was wondering, does anybody know how
many serious accidents KIS airplanes have had over the years due to airplane
failure? Numbers and probable cause for both the TR-1 and TR-4 where the
airplane was a total loss.
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: KIS accidents?? |
There have been six or seven with the TR-4 that I am aware of. The original
prototype had an engine failure, set down in a plowed field, flipped on it'
s back but had rather minor damage and flew again. First customer built ver
sion had door open, pilot tried to close but jammed seat cushion into contro
ls, crashed knot orchard trees and destroyed plane, pilot injured but ok. S
econd factory demonstrator which used Cont.IO-360 was destroyed and pilot ki
lled when Solley left it to get upgrade on interior and someone who apparent
ly shouldn't have been flying couldn't land the plane aster more than one at
tempt. First Subaru version in south Africa had engine failure and had off f
ield landing. It was repaired and engine replaced with Lycoming and is stil
l flying. The plane shown on my website home page had engine failure, set d
own with damage and burned but no fatalities. The latest report was a Cruis
er that I didn't
t even know was in the DFW area that had engine failure on takeoff with fata
lities to pilot and his wife. A couple of minor incidents including yours.
The only thing I would call a failure of the aircraft might be the problem w
ith the doors opening in flight. I haven't kept up with the TR-1 accidents.
Those are the only ones I have heard about.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
> After reading about Alfred's incident I was wondering, does anybody know h
ow many serious accidents KIS airplanes have had over the years due to airpl
ane failure? Numbers and probable cause for both the TR-1 and TR-4 where the
airplane was a total loss.
>
> Galin
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| Subject: | Re: KIS accidents?? |
--- On Fri, 4/22/11, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: KIS accidents??
After reading about Alfred's incident I was wondering, does anybody know how many
serious accidents KIS airplanes have had over the years due to airplane failure?
Numbers and probable cause for both the TR-1 and TR-4 where the airplane
was a total loss.
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: KIS accidents?? |
My TR1 with a Subaru engine went into limp home mode on my second test
flight and I made an off field landing in a celery field. Since the
engine was still turning at about 1100 rpm, it tore the nose off as it
ground to a halt in the field. Plane protected me and kept me alive,
but I never rebuilt it. The left turn in the nose was part of the
decision but more importantly Gasohol had eaten into the webbing of the
main spar and weakened it so that it snapped on the landing. Strangely,
the rear spar was still in tack. So you can add one to the not rebuilt
column of damaged TR1s. Larry
On 4/22/2011 8:32 PM, Robert Reed wrote:
> There have been six or seven with the TR-4 that I am aware of. The
> original prototype had an engine failure, set down in a plowed field,
> flipped on it's back but had rather minor damage and flew again.
> First customer built version had door open, pilot tried to close but
> jammed seat cushion into controls, crashed knot orchard trees and
> destroyed plane, pilot injured but ok. Second factory demonstrator
> which used Cont.IO-360 was destroyed and pilot killed when Solley left
> it to get upgrade on interior and someone who apparently shouldn't
> have been flying couldn't land the plane aster more than one attempt.
> First Subaru version in south Africa had engine failure and had off
> field landing. It was repaired and engine replaced with Lycoming and
> is still flying. The plane shown on my website home page had engine
> failure, set down with damage and burned but no fatalities. The
> latest report was a Cruiser that I didn't
> t even know was in the DFW area that had engine failure on takeoff
> with fatalities to pilot and his wife. A couple of minor incidents
> including yours. The only thing I would call a failure of the
> aircraft might be the problem with the doors opening in flight. I
> haven't kept up with the TR-1 accidents.
>
> Those are the only ones I have heard about.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com
> <mailto:galinhdz@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> After reading about Alfred's incident I was wondering, does anybody
>> know how many serious accidents KIS airplanes have had over the years
>> due to airplane failure? Numbers and probable cause for both the TR-1
>> and TR-4 where the airplane was a total loss.
>>
>> Galin
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