---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/23/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Re: KIS accidents?? (Bob and Kathy) 2. 08:21 AM - Air struts (ALFRED ROSA) 3. 01:28 PM - Re: KIS accidents?? (BlueSkyFlier) 4. 03:23 PM - Re: Air struts (Bill Schertz) 5. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: KIS accidents?? (Bill Schertz) 6. 07:02 PM - Re: Air struts (jerzy krasinski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:06 AM PST US From: Bob and Kathy Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS accidents?? TR-1, N232AN was totally destroyed on July 30, 2007 due to a failure of the left wing push rod attached to the aileron. NTSB determined the rivets were not installed in the rod where it attached to the aileron. Pilot (me) was seriously injured. I was third owner of this aircraft. ________________________________ From: Galin Hernandez Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:44:59 PM Subject: KIS-List: KIS accidents?? After reading about Alfred's incident I was wondering, does anybody know how many serious accidents KIS airplanes have had over the years due to airplane failure? Numbers and probable cause for both the TR-1 and TR-4 where the airplane was a total loss. Galin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:31 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Air struts From: ALFRED ROSA Now that the hinge question has been resolved, I would like to do the same with the air struts. I reinforced the front part of the door thinking that was where I would place the strut but now am questioning that placement as possibly being an intrusion for the pilot and copilot. Have people found that a rear placement of the struts is a better way to go? Also, using only one strut per door, what would be the recommended pressure rating for a Cruiser door. I'm guessing about 40 lbs. Al ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:48 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: KIS accidents?? From: "BlueSkyFlier" I know of three incidents here in the UK where TR-1 doors opened in flight, the last one in latter half of last year. Two doors are still missing in action and nobody the worse for it, the third one came open just after takeoff and was damaged but passenger managed to pull it down again although his headset was flapping out the side. Other then a new hole in the pilot's seat cover, no problems :o) These planes are all still flying today. A quick scan of the UK register shows one TR-1 destroyed in 1997 and one TR4 Cruiser destroyed in 2009. Apparently no fatalities or serious injuries (but I could not find the AAIB report of the 1997 accident) Other than that, three TR-1s without wings here in UK, two of these are tail draggers and the third is/was mine. Seven TR-1s still on the register her in the UK (incl the three awaiting new wings :o) John Petrie probably knows the record for South Africa. A good tally of kits were bought by the guys there. Regards, Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337941#337941 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:18 PM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Air struts I put mine at the rear, and am happy with the location. 60# if I recall correctly. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase one testing Completed From: ALFRED ROSA Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: KIS-List: Air struts Now that the hinge question has been resolved, I would like to do the same with the air struts. I reinforced the front part of the door thinking that was where I would place the strut but now am questioning that placement as possibly being an intrusion for the pilot and copilot. Have people found that a rear placement of the struts is a better way to go? Also, using only one strut per door, what would be the recommended pressure rating for a Cruiser door. I'm guessing about 40 lbs. Al ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:31 PM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: KIS accidents?? An early newsletter (back when they had newsletters) told of a European crash into the sea (with fatality) 1997 would have been about right. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase one testing Completed -----Original Message----- From: BlueSkyFlier Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: KIS-List: Re: KIS accidents?? I know of three incidents here in the UK where TR-1 doors opened in flight, the last one in latter half of last year. Two doors are still missing in action and nobody the worse for it, the third one came open just after takeoff and was damaged but passenger managed to pull it down again although his headset was flapping out the side. Other then a new hole in the pilot's seat cover, no problems :o) These planes are all still flying today. A quick scan of the UK register shows one TR-1 destroyed in 1997 and one TR4 Cruiser destroyed in 2009. Apparently no fatalities or serious injuries (but I could not find the AAIB report of the 1997 accident) Other than that, three TR-1s without wings here in UK, two of these are tail draggers and the third is/was mine. Seven TR-1s still on the register her in the UK (incl the three awaiting new wings :o) John Petrie probably knows the record for South Africa. A good tally of kits were bought by the guys there. Regards, Alfred -------- _________________________________________ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337941#337941 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:30 PM PST US From: jerzy krasinski Subject: Re: KIS-List: Air struts =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bill Schertz =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, April 23, 2011 5 :12:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Air struts=0A=0A=0AI put mine at the rea r, and am happy with the location. 60# if I recall =0Acorrectly.=0A=0ABill Schertz=0AKIS Cruiser #4045=0AN343BS=0APhase one testing Completed=0A=0AFro m: ALFRED ROSA =0ASent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:14 AM=0ATo: kisbuilders =0ASubject: KIS-List: Air struts=0ANow that the hinge question has been re solved, I would like to do the same with =0Athe air struts.- I reinforced =0A=0Athe front part of the door thinking that was where I would place the strut but =0Anow am questioning that placement=0Aas possibly being an intr usion for the pilot and copilot.- Have people found =0Athat a rear placem ent of the struts is=0Aa better way to go?=0A=0AAlso, using only one strut per door, what would be the recommended pressure =0Arating for a Cruiser do or.=0AI'm guessing about 40 lbs.=0A=0AAl=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="htt -======================== ========== =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.