---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/06/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:24 AM - Re: window tint (Galin Hernandez) 2. 07:25 AM - Re: window tint (ALFRED ROSA) 3. 07:40 AM - Re: window tint (Mark Kettering) 4. 08:11 AM - Re: window tint (F. Tim Yoder) 5. 11:20 AM - Re: window tint (Richard Trickel) 6. 03:02 PM - Re: window tint (Galin Hernandez) 7. 03:42 PM - Canopy cover (Scott Stearns) 8. 03:52 PM - Re: window tint (F. Tim Yoder) 9. 05:33 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:07 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint But it's a DRY heat! ;o) On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > Tinting is more effective in reducing glare than heat. Dual pane would > help keep the interior cooler but only if you air-condition the space. Light > colors reduces the heat absorption but when the plane sits in the sun it > still gets to hot.Shade and venting is about the best you can do. I am in > Arizona and try to be finished flying by 10:00 am in the summer. It is > usually over a 100 deg. by then. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:41 PM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: window tint > > Exactly why I am changing the interiors to a light tan color. I have > completed the seat cushions and the baggage compartment. Next is the > passenger area and the pilot/copilot area will be last. > > Galin > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: > >> I think having a light colored interior would make a much larger >> difference compared to tinting the windows. >> >> I would avoid acs for anything not specific to aircraft. I've learned that >> just because acs sells it doesn't mean it works or is a good product. That >> water based primer is a good example. >> >> I would recommend contacting Aircraft Windshield, they made the windows, >> and asking what they recommend short of buying new windows with a darker >> tint. >> >> Cheers, >> Scott >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *ALFRED ROSA ; >> *To: *kisbuilders ; >> *Subject: *KIS-List: window tint >> *Sent: *Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:05 AM >> >> Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In >> Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most >> UV and a lot of heat buildup. >> >> ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience >> with tint films? >> >> Al Rosa >> >> *http://www.matronics.c================= >> * >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint From: ALFRED ROSA *If no shade is available on the tarmac, I guess an exterior cover over the windows will help a lot.* * * *Al* On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:06 PM, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > Tinting is more effective in reducing glare than heat. Dual pane would > help keep the interior cooler but only if you air-condition the space. Light > colors reduces the heat absorption but when the plane sits in the sun it > still gets to hot.Shade and venting is about the best you can do. I am in > Arizona and try to be finished flying by 10:00 am in the summer. It is > usually over a 100 deg. by then. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:41 PM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: window tint > > Exactly why I am changing the interiors to a light tan color. I have > completed the seat cushions and the baggage compartment. Next is the > passenger area and the pilot/copilot area will be last. > > Galin > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: > >> I think having a light colored interior would make a much larger >> difference compared to tinting the windows. >> >> I would avoid acs for anything not specific to aircraft. I've learned that >> just because acs sells it doesn't mean it works or is a good product. That >> water based primer is a good example. >> >> I would recommend contacting Aircraft Windshield, they made the windows, >> and asking what they recommend short of buying new windows with a darker >> tint. >> >> Cheers, >> Scott >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *ALFRED ROSA ; >> *To: *kisbuilders ; >> *Subject: *KIS-List: window tint >> *Sent: *Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:05 AM >> >> Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In >> Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most >> UV and a lot of heat buildup. >> >> ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience >> with tint films? >> >> Al Rosa >> >> *http://www.matronics.c================= >> * >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:54 AM PST US From: Mark Kettering Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint Depending on the tint film, tinting can be very effective at blocking heat due to the sun. Some of the low E films block just 10% of the visible light and block up to 60% of the total solar energy (heat gain). Some low E films block up to 85% of the total solar energy but they also block more visible light. The film I have used on the side windows of a car blocks 28% of the visible and 70% of the total solar energy. Most of these films also block UV, some as high as 99%. This really helps reduce sun burn and fading of the interior. Even the paint you chose can have a big effect and I am not talking about just the color. Most paints actually allow a fair amount of the total solar energy to pass. Yes, light colors reflect more of the visible but maybe not the IR. In fact a fair amount of the IR can pass through light colored paint and fiberglass making your interior hotter. In general, paints (or under-paints) with silver or metallic pigments or some ceramic additives help block IR. IR transmission is not a problem with metal aircraft or metal cars. Of course solid shade also works and works best! But keep in mind that most cloth may block most of the visible but may not block much of the total solar energy. Mark -----Original Message----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" Sent: May 5, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint Tinting is more effective in reducing glare than heat. Dual pane would help keep the interior cooler but only if you air-condition the space. Light colors reduces the heat absorption but when the plane sits in the sun it still gets to hot.Shade and venting is about the best you can do. I am in Arizona and try to be finished flying by 10:00 am in the summer. It is usually over a 100 deg. by then. ----- Original Message ----- From: Galin Hernandez To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint Exactly why I am changing the interiors to a light tan color. I have completed the seat cushions and the baggage compartment. Next is the passenger area and the pilot/copilot area will be last. Galin On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: I think having a light colored interior would make a much larger difference compared to tinting the windows. I would avoid acs for anything not specific to aircraft. I've learned that just because acs sells it doesn't mean it works or is a good product. That water based primer is a good example. I would recommend contacting Aircraft Windshield, they made the windows, and asking what they recommend short of buying new windows with a darker tint. Cheers, Scott From: ALFRED ROSA ; Subject: KIS-List: window tint Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:05 AM Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most UV and a lot of heat buildup. ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with tint films? Al Rosahttp://www.matronics.c================= et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:05 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint If no shade is available on the tarmac, I guess an exterior cover over the windows will help a lot. Al----- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:50 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint While I was still in Calif the company I worked for had a material that almost lo oked like bubble wrap with gold and silver surfaces.- we made a few inter nal window covers with this and it really worked well.- Rolled up for sto rage and held in place with small suckshun cup Rich --- On Fri, 5/6/11, F. Tim Yoder wrote: From: F. Tim Yoder Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint If you use the silver insulated- material cut to fit the inside of the wi ndows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior ne ar ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well abo ve the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays. - Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint If no shade is available on the tarmac, I guess an exterior cover over the windows will help a lot. Al----- - ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:28 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint The problem with this kind of silver reflective material on the inside of the windshield is that the UV penetrates the window twice. Once as it enters then again as it is reflected back out. UV light can speed up the deterioration of some plastic material, like plexi-glass. This is normally not an issue with glass windows. I use a Bruce's Custom Cover "Sunbrella" on the airplane. At least this way when it is out in the sun most of the light (UV included) gets reflected before entering the windshield. Galin On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the > windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior > near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well > above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel > from the UV rays. > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ALFRED ROSA > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2011 7:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: window tint > > *If no shade is available on the tarmac, I guess an exterior cover over > the windows will help a lot.* > * > * > *Al*----- > >> >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:38 PM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: KIS-List: Canopy cover I need to get a canopy cover. Anyone know of one fitted to a 2 seat KIS? =0A=0AThanks,=0AScott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:22 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint That is what I use also. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint While I was still in Calif the company I worked for had a material that almost looked like bubble wrap with gold and silver surfaces. we made a few internal window covers with this and it really worked well. Rolled up for storage and held in place with small suckshun cup Rich --- On Fri, 5/6/11, F. Tim Yoder wrote: From: F. Tim Yoder Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 3:09 PM If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: window tint If no shade is available on the tarmac, I guess an exterior cover over the windows will help a lot. Al----- =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Canopy cover From: Galin Hernandez Bruces Custom Covers has the cover for both the 2 & 4 seater. Galin On Friday, May 6, 2011, Scott Stearns wrote: > I need to get a canopy cover. Anyone know of one fitted to a 2 seat KIS? > > Thanks, > Scott > > > From: > > Galin Hernandez ; > > To: > > ; > > Subject: > > Re: KIS-List: window tint > > Sent: > > Fri, May 6, 2011 9:59:59 PM > > > The problem with this kind of silver reflective material on the inside of the windshield is that the UV penetrates the window twice. Once as it enters then again as it is reflected back out. UV light can speed up the deterioration of some plastic material, like plexi-glass. This is normally not an issue with glass windows. > > > I use a Bruce's Custom Cover "Sunbrella" on the airplane. At least this way when it is out in the sun most of the light (UV included) gets reflected before entering the windshield. > > Galin > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > > > If you use the silver insulated material cut > to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it > will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will > probably go well above the ambient temp. 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