---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/06/11: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:09 AM - Re: Door pull (Robert Reed) 2. 10:25 AM - Re: Door pull (ALFRED ROSA) 3. 03:32 PM - Re: Door pull (Robert Reed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:15 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solut ions =0Aare acceptable.- Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't y ou know that?=0A=0AI like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton.=0A=0AB ob Reed=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "bakerocb@co x.net" =0ATo: ALFRED ROSA ; "KIS-LIS T, MATRONICS" =0A=0ASent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:2 4 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull=0A=0A=0A4/5/2011=0A-=0AHello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system.=0A-=0APicture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture taking =0Apurposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging down makes it =0Astill possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and the n the bottom end =0Aof the door inward for latching purposes.=0A-=0APictu re 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over =0Athe handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out of the =0Away and provide additional assurance that the handle will not ina dvertently move =0Ato an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to =0Atime provides just the right combination of stif fness and stickyness.=0A-=0ANotice the taper on the end of the locking pi n. This provides a wedging closed =0Aeffect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a =0Ahole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. The nylon disk =0Aprovides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum rubbing against =0Aaluminum during the pin locking movement.=0A-=0AThis system has worked perfectly for over 33 6 hours.=0A-=0A'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the t ime and effort to =0Agather and understand knowledge."=0A-=0A>=== =====0A>From: ALFRED ROSA =0A>To: bakerocb@cox.net =0A>Sent: Sunday , July 03, 2011 9:03 AM=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull=0A>=0A>OC, good to hear from you. -Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much =0A>trou ble. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project. -What's left to =0A>do?=0A>=0A>=0A>Al=0A>-=0A>===== ========0A>=0A>On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, wrote:=0A>=0A>7/2/2011=0A>>-=0A>>Hello Al, I have a short length (m aybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out =0A>>of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the outer end of =0A>>the cord keep s the cord end from pulling out-through the hole.=0A>>-=0A>>On the-co ckpit inner end of each cord I have-a round wooden bead (maybe-5/8 inch =0A>>in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a-recessed portion in the hole for =0A>>a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from com ing off.=0A>>-=0A>>The cords hang down with the beaded ends-within easy reach for pulling the doors =0A>>down with the cord into the-door closed -position. Additional inward pull is also =0A>>applied by pulling inward on the-beaded cord end as the other hand moves the =0A>>latch handle into the-door-pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging =0A>>ac tion is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed =0A>>position by the door pin design.)=0A>>-=0A>>Then-each cord is-wr apped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both =0A>>keep the c ord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch =0A> >handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in flight. ( The =0A>>primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed position i s the Europa =0A>>shoot bolt mechanism.)=0A>>-=0A>>For some cooling air o ne can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit =0A>>while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving =0A>>further ope n.=0A>>-=0A>>An additional consideration is that a person on the ground c an force the door =0A>>latch into the door unlatched position in an emergen cy rescue situation because =0A>>the nylon cord- will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to the exterior =0A>>door latch handle.=0A>>-=0A> >I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is intereste d.=0A>>-=0A>>'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the tim e and effort to =0A>>gather and understand knowledge."=0A>>-=0A>>== ======0A>>From: ALFRED ROSA =0A>>>To: kisbuilders =0A>>>Sent: Sat urday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM=0A>>>Subject: KIS-List: Door pull=0A>>>=0A>>>W ondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while =0A>>>sitting inside? =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Al=0A> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull From: ALFRED ROSA Bob, Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution? It's simple all right and effective. Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun materials. Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door. Will post a picture. Al On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Robert Reed wrote: > Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex > solutions are acceptable. Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't > you know that? > > I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton. > > Bob Reed > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "bakerocb@cox.net" > *To:* ALFRED ROSA ; "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" < > kis-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Door pull > > 4/5/2011 > > Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system. > > Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture > taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging > down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and > then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes. > > Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped > over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out > of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not > inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on > the string from time to time provides just the right combination of > stiffness and stickyness. > > Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging > closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon > disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact > with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have > aluminum rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement. > > This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours. > > 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to > gather and understand knowledge." > > ** > *================================* > *From:* ALFRED ROSA > *To:* bakerocb@cox.net > *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Door pull > > *OC, good to hear from you. Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much > trouble.* > * > * > *Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project. What's > left to do?* > * > * > *Al* > ** > *=====================================* > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, > > wrote: > >> ** >> 7/2/2011 >> >> Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord >> coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on >> the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out through the >> hole. >> >> On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round wooden bead >> (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a recessed >> portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from >> coming off. >> >> The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy reach for pulling the >> doors down with the cord into the door closed position. Additional inward >> pull is also applied by pulling inward on the beaded cord end as the other >> hand moves the latch handle into the door pinned closed position. (A slight >> door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved >> into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.) >> >> Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to >> both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that >> the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in >> flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed >> position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.) >> >> For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a >> bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from >> moving further open. >> >> An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the >> door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation >> because the nylon cord will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to >> the exterior door latch handle. >> >> I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is >> interested. >> >> 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort >> to gather and understand knowledge." >> >> ====== >> >> *From:* ALFRED ROSA >> *To:* kisbuilders >> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM >> *Subject:* KIS-List: Door pull >> >> Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while >> sitting inside? >> >> Al >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:25 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Yes, I was but then I told you I was a simpleton.- --- On Wed, 7/6/11, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Bob, Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution? -It's simple all right and effective. -Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's home spun materials. -Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door . -Will post a picture. Al On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Robert Reed wrote: Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solut ions are acceptable.- Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't you know that? - I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton. - Bob Reed From: "bakerocb@cox.net" onics.com> Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull 4/5/2011 - Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system. - Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture t aking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging do wn makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and the n the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes. - Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string ou t of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not inad vertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness a nd stickyness. - Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging clo sed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. Th e nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum ru bbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement. - This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours. - 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." - ====== From: ALFRED ROSA Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull OC, good to hear from you. -Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble. Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project. -What's l eft to do? Al - =========== On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, wrote: 7/2/2011 - Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the ou ter end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out-through the hole. - On the-cockpit inner end of each cord I have-a round wooden bead (maybe -5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a-recessed port ion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from co ming off. - The cords hang down with the beaded ends-within easy reach for pulling th e doors down with the cord into the-door closed-position. Additional in ward pull is also applied by pulling inward on the-beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into the-door-pinned closed position . (A slight door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handl e is moved into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.) - Then-each cord is-wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position whil e in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed p osition is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.) - For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving further open. - An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the do or latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation because the nylon cord- will slip and unwind if enough force is applied t o the exterior door latch handle. - I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is interested .. - 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." - ====== From: ALFRED ROSA Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: KIS-List: Door pull Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside? 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