---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/07/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Re: Door pull () 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Door pull (Robert Reed) 3. 08:08 AM - Re: Door pull (ALFRED ROSA) 4. 08:50 AM - Re: Door pull (Galin Hernandez) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: Door pull (kent pyle) 6. 11:22 AM - Door pull (ALFRED ROSA) 7. 12:24 PM - Re: Door pull () 8. 08:48 PM - Re: Door pull (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:07 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull 7/7/2011 Hello Al, You wrote: ".... it doesn't look aeronautical....." I am not the least bit offended by your comment. It does tend to reenforce an opinion I have that people are divided into two categories. Upon encountering something new the first category asks themselves only: "How does it work?" The second category asks themselves only: "How does it look?" I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but useless world. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: I hope that your arms are long enough to reach your aluminum handle to start pulling the doors closed from a fully open position. I look forward to seeing your picture. == From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Bob, Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution? It's simple all right and effective. Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun materials. Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door. Will post a picture. Al ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:15 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull By the way OC, I hope you realize that I was giving you a complement in my =0Aoff-handed way.- I think your solution is really in keeping with the K IS concept =0Athat we seem to sometimes forget.=0A=0ABob Reed=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: "bakerocb@cox.net" =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com; robertr237@att.net; ALFRED ROSA =0A=0ASent: Thu, July 7, 2011 6:45:58 AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS- List: Door pull=0A=0A=0A7/7/2011=0A-=0AHello Al, You wrote: ".... it does n't look aeronautical....."=0A=0AI am not the least bit offended by your co mment. =0A-=0AIt does tend to reenforce an opinion I have that people are divided into two =0Acategories. Upon encountering something new the first category asks themselves =0Aonly: "How does it work?" The second category a sks themselves only: "How-does it =0Alook?"=0A-=0AI am definitely in th e first category. You (and my wife) are in the second =0Acategory. The worl d requires both categories of people otherwise we would live =0Ain a very f unctional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but useless =0Awor ld.=0A-=0A'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time a nd effort to =0Agather and understand knowledge."=0A-=0APS: I hope that y our arms are long enough to reach your aluminum handle to start =0Apulling the doors closed from a fully open position.-I look forward to seeing =0A your picture.=0A-=0A>================= ============0A>-=0A>From: ALFRED ROSA =0A>To: kis-l ist@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re : KIS-List: Door pull=0A>=0A>Bob, =0A>=0A>=0A>Are you're referring to OCs p ull string solution? -It's simple all right and =0A>effective. -Only th ing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun=0A>materials. -Iv' e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door. -Will =0A>pos ======================= =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull From: ALFRED ROSA > > I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second > category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would > live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but > useless world. > > * > * > > *That's too black and white OC. I firmly believe that form follows function, however that form has to be* > > beautiful (if possible). I think both are achievable. Photos on the way. Al ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:52 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull FWIW I think it is a GREAT design, especially how well it "flows". :o) Galin On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:07 AM, ALFRED ROSA wrote: > > >> I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second >> category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would >> live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but >> useless world. >> >> * >> * >> >> *That's too black and white OC. I firmly believe that form follows function, however that form has to be* >> >> beautiful (if possible). I think both are achievable. Photos on the > way. > > Al > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:00 AM PST US From: "kent pyle" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Al, you have a bulge on the lower part of the inside door frame. You can drill from the bottom and put and alumiumn wire handle through the holes. This makes an nice loop to grab onto. It has worked for me for 175 hours. Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull Bob, Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution? It's simple all right and effective. Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun materials. Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door. Will post a picture. Al On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Robert Reed wrote: Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solutions are acceptable. Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't you know that? I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton. Bob Reed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: "bakerocb@cox.net" To: ALFRED ROSA ; "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull 4/5/2011 Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system. Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes. Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness and stickyness. Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement. This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ====== From: ALFRED ROSA To: bakerocb@cox.net Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull OC, good to hear from you. Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble. Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project. What's left to do? Al =========== On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, wrote: 7/2/2011 Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out through the hole. On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from coming off. The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling inward on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.) Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.) For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving further open. An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation because the nylon cord will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to the exterior door latch handle. I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is interested. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ====== From: ALFRED ROSA To: kisbuilders Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: KIS-List: Door pull Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside? 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A thumbscrew fits a hole to lock the crank handle in the closed position. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:33 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull 7/7/2011 Hello Al, Thanks for the picture and the explanation -- a very neat installation. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: I note with pleasure your use of the Torx (6 lobe) drive, countersunk, flat head, stainless steel machine screws from Microfasteners. It helps to justify the long effort that I put into having those screws created and available to our homebuilding community. ====== From: ALFRED ROSA To: kisbuilders Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: KIS-List: Door pull Here is my solution to a door pull. A piece of angle aluminum riveted to the door frame. It requires getting off your ass to reach but it gives a very good grip to hold door tightly shut while engaging the lock pins with the crank handle. My plane has rear wing boarding so the outside handle is on the right side of the door. The crank drives a spur gear which engages teeth in the square rod pin. One complete turn locks or unlocks the door. A thumbscrew fits a hole to lock the crank handle in the closed position. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull From: Galin Hernandez I use a lot of those microfastener screws on my airplane. :o) On Thursday, July 7, 2011, wrote: > > > 7/7/2011 > > Hello Al, Thanks for the picture and the explanation -- a very > neat installation. > > 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time > and effort to gather and understand knowledge." > > PS: I note with pleasure your use of the Torx (6 lobe) drive, > countersunk, flat head, stainless steelmachine screws from Microfasteners. > It helps to justify the long effort that I put into having those screws created > and available to our homebuilding community. > > =============================== > From: > ALFRED ROSA > > To: kisbuilders > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:22 > PM > Subject: KIS-List: Door pull > > > Here is my solution to a door pull. A piece of angle aluminum riveted to > the door frame. It requires getting off your ass > to reach but it gives a very good gripto hold door tightly shut > while engaging the lock pins with the crank handle. > > > My plane has rear wing boardingso the outside handle is on the > right side of the door. The crank drives a spur gear > which engages teeth in the square rodpin. One complete turn > locks or unlocks the door. A thumbscrew fits a hole to > lock the crank handlein the closed > position. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.