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1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam@comcast.net)
4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
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All;
I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching to
land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have full
up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to trim
hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare. So I
am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if any
of you have done something similar.
I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to include
the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the standard
tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
"drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am thinking
of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Picasso.
:o)
THANKS!
Galin
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Subject: | 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip |
All;
Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS Light Sport
Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and had a BLAST!
We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right then to do it
again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years trip. I want
to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an unforgetable flying
trip.
We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead) on December 9
and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT committed to these
dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame. These are the
dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be travelling and will
escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is to maybe spend
a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and maybe
even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold weather for a
while.
It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are going to make the
trip this year and several others are very interested in joining. We have
made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican Republic and
Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very interested in
providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have offered to sponsor a
dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us if we stay a
night or two in their country.
We will be charging a small amount for those that join to cover
some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS (TR-1 or TR-4)
aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one. There will be
some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees, parking, fuel,
charts, etc) but nothing else.
If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail and we can try
to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it doesn't get
much better! :o)
Galin
N819PR
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Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and B
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From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
All;
=C2-
I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching to
land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have fu
ll up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to t
rim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then=C2-add=C2-back pressure for
the flare. So I am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am
wondering if any of you have done something similar.
=C2-
I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the=C2-rear of the tail to in
clude the trim tab. Has=C2-anybody done or looked into doing this=C2-to
the standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I a
dded a "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am t
hinking of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Pi
casso. :o)
=C2-
THANKS!
=C2-
Galin
=C2-
Horiz Stab Mod.JPG
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I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have heard many comme
nts =0Athat this might be a bad idea making the plane too sensitive to the
elevator, =0Abut nothing like this has happened, the plane is very docile,
but the forces for =0Athe elerons and the elevator are now comparable.-
=0ANow,-I have much more effective elevator allowing me to hold the nose
up longer =0Aon landing. In fact I am considering adding another inch to th
e elevator.=0A=0AChecking the Weight and Balance is a good idea no matter i
f you are going to =0Aextend the elevator or not.=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0AFrom: "tmclam@comcast.net" <tmclam@comca
st.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:34:26 PM
=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???=0A=0A=0AGalin/Before you get into any
surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and =0ABalance.If she is nose heav
y some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.=0A----------
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From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Tail Mod??
?=0A=0A=0AAll;=0A=0AI find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as
I am approaching to =0Aland. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than
90Kts I have to have full up =0Atrim and hold some back pressure on the sti
ck. I want to be able to trim hands =0Aoff for at least 75KIAS and then-a
dd-back pressure for the flare. So I am =0Athinking about making a modifi
cation to the tail and am wondering if any of you =0Ahave done something si
milar.=0A=0AI am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the-rear of the t
ail to include the =0Atrim tab. Has-anybody done or looked into doing thi
s-to the standard tail? If =0Aso, how did you do it and what were the res
ults? I added a "drawing" of what I =0Aam contemplating. The gray parts are
what I am thinking of adding. No funny =0Aremarks about the "drawing" sinc
e I am not a Picasso. :o)=0A=0ATHANKS!=0A=0AGalin=0A
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THANKS for the quick reply. I did a complete W&B back when I first started
to tackle this issue. The airplane W&B is very well within the envelope
during all phases of flight. It is actually a tiny bit aft so I really don't
want to move it any further aft than it already is. That is why I first
started with the VG's and they made a big difference. But it still needs a
bit more nose up authority at slow speeds.
Jerzy, do you have VG's on your elevator or just the additional 1.5"? Also,
did you extend the entire elevator to include the trim tab?
Galin
On Saturday, July 30, 2011, jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have heard many
comments that this might be a bad idea making the plane too sensitive to the
elevator, but nothing like this has happened, the plane is very docile, but
the forces for the elerons and the elevator are now comparable.
> Now, I have much more effective elevator allowing me to hold the nose up
longer on landing. In fact I am considering adding another inch to the
elevator.
>
> Checking the Weight and Balance is a good idea no matter if you are going
to extend the elevator or not.
>
> Jerzy
>
> ________________________________
> From: "tmclam@comcast.net" <tmclam@comcast.net>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:34:26 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
> Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and
Balance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
>
>
&nbs
p; Ted
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
> Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
> All;
>
> I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching
to land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have
full up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to
trim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare.
So I am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if
any of you have done something similar.
>
> I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to
include the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the
standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
"drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am thinking
of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Picasso.
:o)
>
> THANKS!
>
> Galin
>
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This is pissing me off. I have replied twice using my PC and both ended up with
no message. I don't know what the problem is but it is really frustrating.
Galin: check on my website under the Tips & Tricks button for Elevator Extension
for two examples of exactly what you are proposing. Bill Shertz's mod shows
good detail of a solution to one issue regarding the additional counter balance
weight. Al's use of carbon fiber would help reduce weight.
By the way, I think I know someone in Big-D area that has some glasswork experience
who could be bribed into helping.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
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