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1. 04:37 PM - On-Line Airplane Photos (Galin Hernandez)
2. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 (Galin Hernandez)
3. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 (F. Tim Yoder)
4. 06:41 PM - Re: On-Line Airplane Photos (William Schertz)
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| Subject: | On-Line Airplane Photos |
Just by chance I entered my tail number into Google Image search and found
some VERY, VERY good photo's of my airplane at different airports. This is
the best photo I now have of my airplane thanks to a photographer named Max
Tribolet.
[image: N819PR at Lufkin.jpg]
This one was posted by a photographer named Terry Fletcher.
[image: N819PR at Sun-N-Fun 2011.jpg]
Check your tail number and you might find an excellent photo of your
airplane you didn't even know existed.
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: RE: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
Is there an 'easy" way to increase the flap extension angle after the
airpllane is completed?
Galin
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:52 AM, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
> **
> When measuring your full flap extension be sure to load the flaps (pull up
> by hand) to simulate wind loading. Due to the slop in the system I lost
> about 5 deg. so 30 is effectively 25. Each of our planes are probably
> different.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 5:36 AM
> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: RE: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
>
> Sounds like you have enough elevator control but not enough flaps to slow
> you down. The downward angle of the flaps can be increased to 30 degrees.
>
> Al
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Duran <pfdwind@live.com> wrote:
>
>> I have the same issue, I need full up trim and extra pressure to keep
>> the speed down to 80-90 MPH during the approach. fI I try to slow it down
>> further, my nose is so high that I loose sight on the runway.
>>
>> Pete D.
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:59:11 -0700
>> > From: kis-list@matronics.com
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>> > Subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
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>> > 1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
>> > 2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
>> > 3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam@comcast.net)
>> > 4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
>> > 5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
>> > 6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
>> > 7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
>> > 8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US
>> > From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> > All;
>> >
>> > I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching
>> to
>> > land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have
>> full
>> > up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to
>> trim
>> > hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare.
>> So I
>> > am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if
>> any
>> > of you have done something similar.
>> >
>> > I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to
>> include
>> > the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the standard
>> > tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
>> > "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am
>> thinking
>> > of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a
>> Picasso.
>> > :o)
>> >
>> > THANKS!
>> >
>> > Galin
>> >
>> > [image: Horiz Stab Mod.JPG]
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US
>> > From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: KIS-List: 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip
>> >
>> > All;
>> >
>> > Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS Light Sport
>> > Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and had a
>> BLAST!
>> > We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right then to do
>> it
>> > again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years trip. I
>> want
>> > to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an unforgetable
>> flying
>> > trip.
>> >
>> > We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead) on December
>> 9
>> > and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT committed to
>> these
>> > dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame. These are
>> the
>> > dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be travelling and
>> will
>> > escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is to maybe
>> spend
>> > a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and
>> maybe
>> > even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold weather
>> for a
>> > while.
>> >
>> > It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are going to make
>> the
>> > trip this year and several others are very interested in joining. We
>> have
>> > made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican Republic and
>> > Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very interested in
>> > providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have offered to
>> sponsor a
>> > dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us if we stay
>> a
>> > night or two in their country.
>> >
>> > We will be charging a small amount for those that join to cover
>> > some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS (TR-1 or
>> TR-4)
>> > aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one. There will
>> be
>> > some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees, parking,
>> fuel,
>> > charts, etc) but nothing else.
>> >
>> > If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail and we can
>> try
>> > to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it doesn't get
>> > much better! :o)
>> >
>> > Galin
>> > N819PR
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 04:34:46 PM PST US
>> > From: tmclam@comcast.net
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> >
>> > Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight
>> and B
>> > alance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
>> >
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
>> > =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
>> > -=C2-=C2-=C2- Ted=C2-
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >
>> > From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
>> > Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> >
>> > All;
>> > =C2-
>> > I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching
>> to
>> > land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have
>> fu
>> > ll up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able
>> to t
>> > rim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then=C2-add=C2-back pressure for
>> > the flare. So I am thinking about making a modification to the tail and
>> am
>> > wondering if any of you have done something similar.
>> > =C2-
>> > I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the=C2-rear of the tail to
>> in
>> > clude the trim tab. Has=C2-anybody done or looked into doing this=C2-to
>> > the standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I
>> a
>> > dded a "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I
>> am t
>> > hinking of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a
>> Pi
>> > casso. :o)
>> > =C2-
>> > THANKS!
>> > =C2-
>> > Galin
>> > =C2-
>> > Horiz Stab Mod.JPG
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 05:59:00 PM PST US
>> > From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 07:32:13 PM PST US
>> > From: jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.net>
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> > I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have heard many
>> comme
>> > nts =0Athat this might be a bad idea making the plane too sensitive to
>> the
>> > elevator, =0Abut nothing like this has happened, the plane is very
>> docile,
>> > but the forces for =0Athe elerons and the elevator are now comparable.-
>> > =0ANow,-I have much more effective elevator allowing me to hold the nose
>>
>> > up longer =0Aon landing. In fact I am considering adding another inch to
>> th
>> > e elevator.=0A=0AChecking the Weight and Balance is a good idea no
>> matter i
>> > f you are going to =0Aextend the elevator or
>> not.=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
>> > ________________________________=0AFrom: "tmclam@comcast.net"
>> <tmclam@comca
>> > st.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:34:26
>> PM
>> > =0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???=0A=0A=0AGalin/Before you get into
>> any
>> > surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and =0ABalance.If she is nose
>> heav
>> > y some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.=0A----------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > -------------------------
>> > ------=0A Ted-=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A
>> > From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>=0ATo:
>> kis-list@matronics.com
>> > =0ASent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Tail
>> Mod??
>> > ?=0A=0A=0AAll;=0A=0AI find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim
>> as
>> > I am approaching to =0Aland. If I want to approach at an IAS of less
>> than
>> > 90Kts I have to have full up =0Atrim and hold some back pressure on the
>> sti
>> > ck. I want to be able to trim hands =0Aoff for at least 75KIAS and
>> then-a
>> > dd-back pressure for the flare. So I am =0Athinking about making a
>> modifi
>> > cation to the tail and am wondering if any of you =0Ahave done something
>> si
>> > milar.=0A=0AI am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the-rear of the
>> t
>> > ail to include the =0Atrim tab. Has-anybody done or looked into doing
>> thi
>> > s-to the standard tail? If =0Aso, how did you do it and what were the
>> res
>> > ults? I added a "drawing" of what I =0Aam contemplating. The gray parts
>> are
>> > what I am thinking of adding. No funny =0Aremarks about the "drawing"
>> sinc
>> > e I am not a Picasso. :o)=0A=0ATHANKS!=0A=0AGalin=0A
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 07:46:21 PM PST US
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> > From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > THANKS for the quick reply. I did a complete W&B back when I first
>> started
>> > to tackle this issue. The airplane W&B is very well within the envelope
>> > during all phases of flight. It is actually a tiny bit aft so I really
>> don't
>> > want to move it any further aft than it already is. That is why I first
>> > started with the VG's and they made a big difference. But it still needs
>> a
>> > bit more nose up authority at slow speeds.
>> >
>> > Jerzy, do you have VG's on your elevator or just the additional 1.5"?
>> Also,
>> > did you extend the entire elevator to include the trim tab?
>> >
>> > Galin
>> >
>> > On Saturday, July 30, 2011, jerzy krasinski <
>> jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have heard many
>> > comments that this might be a bad idea making the plane too sensitive to
>> the
>> > elevator, but nothing like this has happened, the plane is very docile,
>> but
>> > the forces for the elerons and the elevator are now comparable.
>> > > Now, I have much more effective elevator allowing me to hold the nose
>> up
>> > longer on landing. In fact I am considering adding another inch to the
>> > elevator.
>> > >
>> > > Checking the Weight and Balance is a good idea no matter if you are
>> going
>> > to extend the elevator or not.
>> > >
>> > > Jerzy
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: "tmclam@comcast.net" <tmclam@comcast.net>
>> > > To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> > > Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:34:26 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> > >
>> > > Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight
>> and
>> > Balance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > &nbs
>> > p; Ted
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >
>> > > From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>> > > To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
>> > > Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> > >
>> > > All;
>> > >
>> > > I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am
>> approaching
>> > to land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to
>> have
>> > full up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able
>> to
>> > trim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the
>> flare.
>> > So I am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am
>> wondering if
>> > any of you have done something similar.
>> > >
>> > > I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to
>> > include the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the
>> > standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I
>> added a
>> > "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am
>> thinking
>> > of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a
>> Picasso.
>> > :o)
>> > >
>> > > THANKS!
>> > >
>> > > Galin
>> > >
>> > > </mail/s/?view=att&th=1317e09a3a354655&attid=0.1.1&disp=emb&zw>
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 08:11:04 PM PST US
>> > From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 09:14:43 PM PST US
>> > From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>> >
>> >
>> > This is pissing me off. I have replied twice using my PC and both ended
>> up with
>> > no message. I don't know what the problem is but it is really
>> frustrating.
>> >
>> > Galin: check on my website under the Tips & Tricks button for Elevator
>> Extension
>> > for two examples of exactly what you are proposing. Bill Shertz's mod
>> shows
>> > good detail of a solution to one issue regarding the additional counter
>> balance
>> > weight. Al's use of carbon fiber would help reduce weight.
>> >
>> > By the way, I think I know someone in Big-D area that has some glasswork
>> experience
>> > who could be bribed into helping.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob Reed
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >
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>> >
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It was pretty easy on my TR-1.
----- Original Message -----
From: Galin Hernandez
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: RE: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
Is there an 'easy" way to increase the flap extension angle after the
airpllane is completed?
Galin
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:52 AM, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
wrote:
When measuring your full flap extension be sure to load the flaps
(pull up by hand) to simulate wind loading. Due to the slop in the
system I lost about 5 deg. so 30 is effectively 25. Each of our planes
are probably different.
----- Original Message -----
From: ALFRED ROSA
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: RE: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
Sounds like you have enough elevator control but not enough flaps
to slow you down. The downward angle of the flaps can be increased to
30 degrees.
Al
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Duran <pfdwind@live.com>
wrote:
I have the same issue, I need full up trim and extra pressure to
keep the speed down to 80-90 MPH during the approach. fI I try to slow
it down further, my nose is so high that I loose sight on the runway.
Pete D.
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:59:11 -0700
> From: kis-list@matronics.com
> To: kis-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
>
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>
> 1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
> 2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
> 3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam@comcast.net)
> 4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
> 5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
> 6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
> 7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
> 8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
> All;
>
> I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am
approaching to
> land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I
have to have full
> up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be
able to trim
> hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for
the flare. So I
> am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am
wondering if any
> of you have done something similar.
>
> I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the
tail to include
> the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to
the standard
> tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I
added a
> "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what
I am thinking
> of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not
a Picasso.
> :o)
>
> THANKS!
>
> Galin
>
> [image: Horiz Stab Mod.JPG]
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip
>
> All;
>
> Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS
Light Sport
> Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and
had a BLAST!
> We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right
then to do it
> again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years
trip. I want
> to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an
unforgetable flying
> trip.
>
> We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead)
on December 9
> and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT
committed to these
> dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame.
These are the
> dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be
travelling and will
> escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is
to maybe spend
> a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto
Rico and maybe
> even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold
weather for a
> while.
>
> It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are
going to make the
> trip this year and several others are very interested in
joining. We have
> made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican
Republic and
> Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very
interested in
> providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have
offered to sponsor a
> dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us
if we stay a
> night or two in their country.
>
> We will be charging a small amount for those that join to
cover
> some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS
(TR-1 or TR-4)
> aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one.
There will be
> some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees,
parking, fuel,
> charts, etc) but nothing else.
>
> If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail
and we can try
> to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it
doesn't get
> much better! :o)
>
> Galin
> N819PR
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 04:34:46 PM PST US
> From: tmclam@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
>
> Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your
Weight and B
> alance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler
solution.
>
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
> Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
>
> All;
> =C2-
> I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am
approaching to
> land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I
have to have fu
> ll up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to
be able to t
> rim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then=C2-add=C2-back
pressure for
> the flare. So I am thinking about making a modification to the
tail and am
> wondering if any of you have done something similar.
> =C2-
> I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the=C2-rear of
the tail to in
> clude the trim tab. Has=C2-anybody done or looked into doing
this=C2-to
> the standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the
results? I a
> dded a "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts
are what I am t
> hinking of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since
I am not a Pi
> casso. :o)
> =C2-
> THANKS!
> =C2-
> Galin
> =C2-
> Horiz Stab Mod.JPG
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:59:00 PM PST US
> From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:32:13 PM PST US
> From: jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
> I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have
heard many comme
> nts =0Athat this might be a bad idea making the plane too
sensitive to the
> elevator, =0Abut nothing like this has happened, the plane
is very docile,
> but the forces for =0Athe elerons and the elevator are now
comparable.-
> =0ANow,-I have much more effective elevator allowing me to
hold the nose
> up longer =0Aon landing. In fact I am considering adding
another inch to th
> e elevator.=0A=0AChecking the Weight and Balance is a good
idea no matter i
> f you are going to =0Aextend the elevator or
not.=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
> ________________________________=0AFrom:
"tmclam@comcast.net" <tmclam@comca
> st.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 30,
2011 6:34:26 PM
> =0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Tail
Mod???=0A=0A=0AGalin/Before you get into any
> surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and =0ABalance.If
she is nose heav
> y some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.=0A----------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> ------=0A
Ted-=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A
> From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>=0ATo:
kis-list@matronics.com
> =0ASent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM=0ASubject:
KIS-List: Tail Mod??
> ?=0A=0A=0AAll;=0A=0AI find that even with the VG's,
I run out of up trim as
> I am approaching to =0Aland. If I want to approach at an IAS
of less than
> 90Kts I have to have full up =0Atrim and hold some back
pressure on the sti
> ck. I want to be able to trim hands =0Aoff for at least
75KIAS and then-a
> dd-back pressure for the flare. So I am =0Athinking about
making a modifi
> cation to the tail and am wondering if any of you =0Ahave
done something si
> milar.=0A=0AI am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to
the-rear of the t
> ail to include the =0Atrim tab. Has-anybody done or looked
into doing thi
> s-to the standard tail? If =0Aso, how did you do it and what
were the res
> ults? I added a "drawing" of what I =0Aam contemplating. The
gray parts are
> what I am thinking of adding. No funny =0Aremarks about the
"drawing" sinc
> e I am not a Picasso. :o)=0A=0ATHANKS!=0A=0AGalin=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:46:21 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
>
> THANKS for the quick reply. I did a complete W&B back when I
first started
> to tackle this issue. The airplane W&B is very well within the
envelope
> during all phases of flight. It is actually a tiny bit aft so
I really don't
> want to move it any further aft than it already is. That is
why I first
> started with the VG's and they made a big difference. But it
still needs a
> bit more nose up authority at slow speeds.
>
> Jerzy, do you have VG's on your elevator or just the
additional 1.5"? Also,
> did you extend the entire elevator to include the trim tab?
>
> Galin
>
> On Saturday, July 30, 2011, jerzy krasinski
<jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > I have extended the elevator by approximately 1.5". I have
heard many
> comments that this might be a bad idea making the plane too
sensitive to the
> elevator, but nothing like this has happened, the plane is
very docile, but
> the forces for the elerons and the elevator are now
comparable.
> > Now, I have much more effective elevator allowing me to hold
the nose up
> longer on landing. In fact I am considering adding another
inch to the
> elevator.
> >
> > Checking the Weight and Balance is a good idea no matter if
you are going
> to extend the elevator or not.
> >
> > Jerzy
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "tmclam@comcast.net" <tmclam@comcast.net>
> > To: kis-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 6:34:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
> >
> > Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck
your Weight and
> Balance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler
solution.
> >
> >
>
>
> &nbs
> p; Ted
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: "Galin Hernandez" <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> > To: kis-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:11:43 PM
> > Subject: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
> >
> > All;
> >
> > I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am
approaching
> to land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I
have to have
> full up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want
to be able to
> trim hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure
for the flare.
> So I am thinking about making a modification to the tail and
am wondering if
> any of you have done something similar.
> >
> > I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the
tail to
> include the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing
this to the
> standard tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the
results? I added a
> "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what
I am thinking
> of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not
a Picasso.
> :o)
> >
> > THANKS!
> >
> > Galin
> >
> >
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>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 08:11:04 PM PST US
> From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 09:14:43 PM PST US
> From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Tail Mod???
>
>
> This is pissing me off. I have replied twice using my PC and
both ended up with
> no message. I don't know what the problem is but it is really
frustrating.
>
> Galin: check on my website under the Tips & Tricks button for
Elevator Extension
> for two examples of exactly what you are proposing. Bill
Shertz's mod shows
> good detail of a solution to one issue regarding the
additional counter balance
> weight. Al's use of carbon fiber would help reduce weight.
>
> By the way, I think I know someone in Big-D area that has some
glasswork experience
> who could be bribed into helping.
>
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
wrote:
>
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That happened to me also, first flight to a different airport for a pancake breakfast
and the N343BS showed up in a picture on the Internet
Bill Schertz
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just by chance I entered my tail number into Google Image search and found some
VERY, VERY good photo's of my airplane at different airports. This is the best
photo I now have of my airplane thanks to a photographer named Max Tribolet.
>
> <N819PR at Lufkin.jpg>
>
> This one was posted by a photographer named Terry Fletcher.
>
> <N819PR at Sun-N-Fun 2011.jpg>
> Check your tail number and you might find an excellent photo of your airplane
you didn't even know existed.
>
> Galin
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