---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/11/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:29 AM - VMax - KIS TR-1 (JOHN JACKSON) 2. 08:12 AM - Re: VMax - KIS TR-1 (Keith.Miller@esa.int) 3. 08:20 AM - Re: VMax - KIS TR-1 (JOHN JACKSON) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: VMax - KIS TR-1 (Flyinisfun@aol.com) 5. 10:19 AM - Re: VMax - KIS TR-1 (Scott Stearns) 6. 02:51 PM - SV: VMax - KIS TR-1 (Hans Christian Erstad) 7. 04:16 PM - VMax - KIS TR-1 () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:17 AM PST US From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Gentlemen=0A=0AI have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-2 40 A1B fitted =0A(125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop.- The prop has been sent for =0Aoverhaul and the estimate is too expensive for m e.- Therefore, I'm looking at =0Adowngrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade woo den prop.=0A=0AThe manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my ai rcraft but needs =0Asome information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help.- I used =0Ato cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power.- However, the prop designer wants to =0Aknow the theoretical max straight an d level speed for the aircraft at full =0Athrottle.- Anyone have any figu res to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-240?=0A=0AI'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is interested, it's got 360 hours =0Asince new but will need cal endar overhaul.=0A=0AJohn ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 From: Keith.Miller@esa.int John which prop manufacturer are you thinking about (Hercules ?), also can you email me your telephone number Re the Mt prop. Keith Tr1 - G-OKMA. |------------> | From: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |JOHN JACKSON | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |kis-list@matronics.com | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |11/08/2011 16:30 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Sent by: | |------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Gentlemen I have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-240 A1B fitted (125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop. The prop has been sent for overhaul and the estimate is too expensive for me. Therefore, I'm looking at downgrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade wooden prop. The manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my aircraft but needs some information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help. I used to cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power. However, the prop designer wants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft at full throttle. Anyone have any figures to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-240? I'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is interested, it's got 360 hours since new but will need calendar overhaul. John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:41 AM PST US From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: Re: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Keith=0A=0AHi, yes I was thinking about Hercules, but also thinking about a Prince P-tip =0Atoo.=0A=0AMy phone number is 07841 470557.=0A=0AJJ=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Keith.Miller@esa.int" =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 11 Augu st, 2011 16:12:21=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1=0A=0A--> KIS-Lis t message posted by: Keith.Miller@esa.int=0A=0AJohn=0A=0Awhich prop manufac turer are you thinking about (Hercules ?), also can you=0Aemail me your tel ephone number Re the Mt prop.=0A=0AKeith=0ATr1 -- G-OKMA.=0A=0A=0A|------ ------>=0A| From:- - - |=0A|------------>=0A- =0A>----------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------|=0A=0A- |JOHN JACKSON - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |=0A- =0A>---------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------|=0A=0A|------------>=0A| To:- - - - |=0A|------------>=0A- =0A>---------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------|=0A=0A- |kis-list@matronics.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |=0A- =0A>--------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------|=0A=0A|------------>=0A| D ate:- - - |=0A|------------>=0A- =0A>------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------|=0A=0A- |11/08/2011 16:30 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |=0A- =0A>--------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------|=0A=0A|------- ----->=0A| Subject:- |=0A|------------>=0A- =0A>----------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------|=0A=0A- |KIS-List: V Max - KIS TR-1- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |=0A- =0A>---------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------|=0A=0A|------------> =0A| Sent by:- |=0A|------------>=0A- =0A>----------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------|=0A=0A- |owner-kis-list-se rver@matronics.com- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |=0A- =0A>-------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------|=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGentlemen=0A=0AI have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-240 A1B fitted=0A (125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop.- The prop has been se nt=0Afor overhaul and the estimate is too expensive for me.- Therefore, I 'm=0Alooking at downgrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade wooden prop.=0A=0AThe manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my aircraft but needs=0A some information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help.- I=0Aused to cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power.- However, the prop des igner=0Awants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft=0Aat full throttle.- Anyone have any figures to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-240?=0A=0AI'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is intereste d, it's got 360 hours=0Asince new but will need calendar overhaul.=0A=0AJoh =========================0A ================= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:24 AM PST US From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Hi John, I suggest you contact Lonnie Prince at Prince props. He will work with you by giving him the information you stated in you e-mail. I can imagine he has made props for the engine and etc. configration that you have. Jesse ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:31 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Check out http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-02_elippse.asp How much do they get to overhaul the MT and how much do you want for it? Scott Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:28 AM, JOHN JACKSON wro te: > Gentlemen > > I have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-240 A1B fitted ( 125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop. The prop has been sent f or overhaul and the estimate is too expensive for me. Therefore, I'm lookin g at downgrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade wooden prop. > > The manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my aircraft but nee ds some information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help. I used to cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power. However, the prop designer wants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft at full throttle. Anyone have any figures to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-24 0? > > I'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is interested, it's got 360 hour s since new but will need calendar overhaul. > > John > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:06 PM PST US From: "Hans Christian Erstad" Subject: SV: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 John I have an IO-240 A in my TR-1 with a Prince P-Tip 62x68. Full throttle give 2800 RPM and around 155 kts. 2500 RPM (7.5 psi fuel pressure that according to engine manual should be 70%) give 135-140 kts. Hans Christian _____ Fra: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av JOHN JACKSON Sendt: 11. august 2011 16:29 Til: kis-list@matronics.com Emne: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Gentlemen I have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-240 A1B fitted (125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop. The prop has been sent for overhaul and the estimate is too expensive for me. Therefore, I'm looking at downgrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade wooden prop. The manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my aircraft but needs some information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help. I used to cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power. However, the prop designer wants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft at full throttle. Anyone have any figures to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-240? I'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is interested, it's got 360 hours since new but will need calendar overhaul. John ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:57 PM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 8/11/2011 Hello John, I am flying my TCM IO-240 B9B powered KIS TR-1 with a Prince P tip prop. 68 inches diameter, 69 inches pitch. Seems to be a good match, but obviously cannot perform like a variable pitch prop. You wrote: "However, the prop designer wants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft at full throttle." Since theoretical implies a number arrived at by calculation rather than measured in the air how does one calculate that number? Alfred Prosser seemed to be pretty good at number crunching -- maybe he can answer both questions: A) How to calculate VMax for a KIS TR-1? B What it is for a IO-240 powered KIS TR-1? OC ============= From: JOHN JACKSON To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:28 AM Subject: KIS-List: VMax - KIS TR-1 Gentlemen I have a 2-place KIS TR-1 G-BZDR which currently has an IO-240 A1B fitted (125HP) spinning an MT Variable pitch 3-blade prop. The prop has been sent for overhaul and the estimate is too expensive for me. Therefore, I'm looking at downgrading to a fixed-pitch 2-blade wooden prop. The manufacturer will optimise the prop design to suit my aircraft but needs some information which I don't have and wondered if you guys could help. I used to cruise around at 145Kts at 75% power. However, the prop designer wants to know the theoretical max straight and level speed for the aircraft at full throttle. Anyone have any figures to hand for a TR-1 with an IO-240? I'll be selling the old VP prop if anyone is interested, it's got 360 hours since new but will need calendar overhaul. 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