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1. 05:00 AM - Re: Super Cruiser (ALFRED ROSA)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Super Cruiser (barrynorman@comcast.net)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: Super Cruiser (Robert Reed)
4. 10:31 AM - Re: Super Cruiser (jerzy krasinski)
5. 10:19 PM - Re: Super Cruiser (Scott Stearns)
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cruiser |
About 40,000.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM, ted <teds532@wk.net> wrote:
> **
> what are you asking for your kit?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Super Cruiser
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:02 PM, <barrynorman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Barry and I joined the KIS list to learn more about the super
>> cruiser because I'm thinking about buying a kit that's 70 percent done from
>> one of the current builders. I currently own a Pulsar III that I finished
>> building about 6 years ago and really enjoy flying but my wife is starting
>> to have problems getting in and out of it and it is a bit on the small side.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a couple of questions that maybe a few of you could answer for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> How tall of a pilot can fit comfortably in these planes (I'm 6' 2" plus)?
>>
> *I'm 6' and there's little head room to spare in my plane but it's
> probably because I'm using adjustable seats from a Mazda Miata,*
> *which are thicker than the what the kit calls for.*
>
>>
>>
>> What are the actual performance and flight characteristics like. What are
>> actual empty weights and useful loads comming out to?
>>
> *Mine is about 85% done on the body parts and has no engine or avionics,
> so I never flew it. *
>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the LYCOMING XP360 engine by Mattituck
>> with the fadec system?
>>
> *No, but I don't see why it wouldn't be a dependable Lyc*.
>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone willing to talk to me on the phone and share their experience
>> with flying one?
>>
> *I'm actually looking to sell and was planning to continue and finish it
> except for the firewall forward. I live in FL and a close airport is
> Venice Municipal. Be happy to show and tell if you can make it down here.
> Also, I can send you jpegs if you wish.*
> *
> *
> *Good luck,*
> *Al*
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any info you might provide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cruiser |
Thanks for the response Alfred. I'm currently looking at Ted's plane.
=C2-
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "ALFRED ROSA" <fredorosa@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:32:53 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Super Cruiser
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:02 PM, < barrynorman@comcast.net > wrote:
Hi,
=C2-
My name is Barry and I joined the KIS list to learn more about the super cr
uiser because I'm thinking about buying a kit=C2-that's 70 percent done f
rom one of the current builders. I currently own a Pulsar III that I finish
ed building about 6 years ago and really enjoy flying but my wife is starti
ng to have problems getting in and out of it and it is a bit on the small s
ide.
=C2-
I have a couple of questions that maybe a few of you could answer for me.
=C2-
=C2-
How tall of a pilot can fit comfortably in these planes (I'm 6' 2" plus)?
=C2-
I'm 6' and there's little head room to spare in my plane but it's probably
because I'm using adjustable seats from a Mazda Miata,
which are thicker than the what the kit calls for.
<blockquote>
=C2-
What are the actual performance and flight characteristics like. What are a
ctual empty weights and useful loads comming out to?
</blockquote>
Mine is about 85% done on the body parts and has no engine or avionics, so
I never flew it.=C2-
<blockquote>
=C2-
Does anyone have experience with the LYCOMING XP360 engine by Mattituck wit
h the fadec system?
</blockquote>
No, but I don't see why it wouldn't be a dependable Lyc .
<blockquote>
=C2-
Is anyone willing to talk to me on the phone and share their experience wit
h flying one?
</blockquote>
I'm actually looking to sell and was planning to continue and finish it exc
ept for the firewall forward. =C2-I live in FL and a close airport is Ven
ice Municipal. =C2-Be happy to show and tell if you can make it down here
. Also, =C2-I can send you jpegs if you wish.
Good luck,
Al
<blockquote>
=C2-
Thanks for any info you might provide.
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cruiser |
Barry,=0A=0AFor various reasons related to LIFE, I am still in the process
of building my =0AKIS Cruiser.- The project is currently on an extended h
old yet again but I will =0Atry to give some answers to your questions.=0A
=0AThe capability of the KIS Cruiser to accomodate a tall pilot is entirely
a =0Afactor of how the builder installs the pilot seating and the installa
tion of the =0Arudder pedals along with some variation in the instrument pa
nel.- Several =0Abuilders have used the fixed seating and varied the cush
ions and/or the rudder =0Apedal placement to accomodate height adjustment.
- Others have gone with various =0Aforms of adjustable seats that can sli
de on rails and offer some degree of =0Aadjustment of back position which i
s what I am doing.- I know of one builder who =0Awas several inches talle
r than you who built and flew his KIS Cruiser for =0Aseveral years.- I ca
n't speak to your instance specifically since I am height =0Achallanged at
5'8'' and my wife is barely 5'1''.- In my case, I needed seats =0Athat of
fered adjustment both upward and downward as well as forward and back.- I
=0Aadapted some seats from a small car by stripping to the frame and rebui
lding the =0Aseats with temperfoam.- Gives 3-4 inches of forward to back
adjustment with seat =0Abacks that fully recline.=0A=0AFlight characteristi
cs and actual performance varies depending on engine, prop, =0Aand finished
weight but the numbers don't seem to be far off from the published =0Avalu
es.- I will ask some of the currently flying pilots to chime in on these
but =0Ayou can find some of the details on my website.-- =0Ahttp://www.
kisbuild.onfinal18.com/=0A=0AThe engine you mention is probably the Mattitu
ck Superiof IOF-360 engine and =0Awhile I don't have specific numbers on th
at engine, it is the same one I am =0Aplanning on using and has a successfu
l record in RV-6's and RV-9s.- It is not a =0ALycoming if it is the XP360
but a very good engine that I think you will be =0Apleased with.- The FA
DEC system has proven to be very good in those who are =0Aflying but suppor
t has not been the best since Continental bought the company.- =0AThere i
s a good support group for the FADEC at Aerosance_Fadec@yahoogroups.com.-
=0AThey have participants who are currently flying the FADEC on the Superi
or XP360 =0Aengine as well as one guy from Mattituck.=0A-=0AAs for who to
talk to about flying....Galin Hernandez and Bob Andersen would be =0Amy re
commendations.- There are several others currently flying but Galin has
=0Abeen flying the wings off his plane in just about every condition from s
evere =0Aclear to vfr icing (not recommended).- Bob has likewise been doi
ng a lot of =0Avaried flying with his plane.- Both are shown on my websit
e.- My only experience =0Awith flying the KIS is also documented on my we
bsite.- I would be happy to talk =0Awith you if it would help.=0A=0A=0ABo
b Reed=0A=0APS:- I still believe it is one of the best 4-place aircraft a
round-if you are =0Anot looking for a bus.- It combines economy of the
IO-360 engine size with the =0Aload capacity of a Cessna-172 with a lot mor
e speed.- It will carry two adult =0Amen and two adult women is relative
comfort but isn't intended for 4 large men =0Aalthough I have been on board
with 4 full sized adults.- My goal was a plane =0Athat would accomodate
my wife and myself along with all the luggage she could =0Acarry or my daug
hter and some luggage.- For that it would be perfect.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "barrynorman@comcast.net" <barr
ynorman@comcast.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 28,
2011 5:02:02 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Super Cruiser=0A=0A=0A=0AHi,=0A-=0A
My name is Barry and I joined the KIS list to learn more about the super cr
uiser =0Abecause I'm thinking about buying a kit-that's 70 percent done f
rom one of the =0Acurrent builders. I currently own a Pulsar III that I fin
ished building about 6 =0Ayears ago and really enjoy flying but my wife is
starting to have problems =0Agetting in and out of it and it is a bit on th
e small side.=0A-=0AI have a couple of questions that maybe a few of you
could answer for me.-=0A-=0AHow tall of a pilot can fit comfortably in
these planes (I'm 6' 2" plus)?-=0A-=0AWhat are the actual performance a
nd flight characteristics like. What are actual =0Aempty weights and useful
loads comming out to? =0A=0A-=0ADoes anyone have experience with the LYC
OMING XP360 engine by Mattituck with the =0Afadec system?=0A-=0AIs anyone
willing to talk to me on the phone and share their experience with =0Aflyi
ng one?=0A-=0AThanks for any info you might provide. =0A-=0ABarry=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cruiser |
Minimum speed is quite a bit greater than listed.=0A-I think it is due to
the Pitot tube mounted below the wing in the prototype and =0Amost of the
other later made planes. This position of Pitot tube usually gives =0Alarge
speed errors.=0AI used a straight Pitot tube mounted 1.5 ft in front of th
e wing.- I found =0Aminimum speed greater by at least 10m/h (depending on
the load) in respect to =0Athe published data.- A part of this differenc
e might be due to my heavier engine =0A(Franklin 220HP)=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0AFrom: "barrynorman@comcast.net" <barryno
rman@comcast.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 28, 20
11 5:02:02 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Super Cruiser=0A=0A=0A=0AHi,=0A-=0AMy
name is Barry and I joined the KIS list to learn more about the super cruis
er =0Abecause I'm thinking about buying a kit-that's 70 percent done from
one of the =0Acurrent builders. I currently own a Pulsar III that I finish
ed building about 6 =0Ayears ago and really enjoy flying but my wife is sta
rting to have problems =0Agetting in and out of it and it is a bit on the s
mall side.=0A-=0AI have a couple of questions that maybe a few of you cou
ld answer for me.-=0A-=0AHow tall of a pilot can fit comfortably in the
se planes (I'm 6' 2" plus)?-=0A-=0AWhat are the actual performance and
flight characteristics like. What are actual =0Aempty weights and useful lo
ads comming out to? =0A=0A-=0ADoes anyone have experience with the LYCOMI
NG XP360 engine by Mattituck with the =0Afadec system?=0A-=0AIs anyone wi
lling to talk to me on the phone and share their experience with =0Aflying
one?=0A-=0AThanks for any info you might provide. =0A-=0ABarry=0A =0A_
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| Subject: | Re: Super Cruiser |
Hello,
It would help to know where you are located.
The 4 seat KIS is the best 4 seat kits out there in my opinion. It is reall
y a shame the business
did not work out. The builder manual is very poor compared with what you ge
t for an RV-10.
I am 6'2" and i was fine in the two cruisers I have been in.
If the fuselage top has not been bonded on then you can still add headroom
like i did on my 2 seat KIS. The factory cruiser was at least 200 pounds l
ighter than the current
factory RV-10 if they have the same engine.
I would personally concider installing an IO-540 in the cruiser.
I have a parallel valve 360 with ported heads, 10:1 pistons, and mechanical f
uel injection
in my 2 seat kis. 220 HP, although i do not normally run it over 180 and ne
ver worry about hot/high.
I would much rather have my engine than the 180 HP fadec engine.
I don't think you can get anything but a stock engine with the fadec.
I would love to have a cruiser with a 540 built like my 360.
Still, put off buying an engine and avionics until you really, really need i
t. i have met a lot of people with 10 year old $25k
engine sitting in the corner or expensive avionics that are outdated by the t
ime the airplane flies.
Cheers,
Scott
On Dec 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, barrynorman@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> My name is Barry and I joined the KIS list to learn more about the super c
ruiser because I'm thinking about buying a kit that's 70 percent done from o
ne of the current builders. I currently own a Pulsar III that I finished bui
lding about 6 years ago and really enjoy flying but my wife is starting to h
ave problems getting in and out of it and it is a bit on the small side.
>
>
>
> I have a couple of questions that maybe a few of you could answer for me.
>
>
>
> How tall of a pilot can fit comfortably in these planes (I'm 6' 2" plus)?
>
>
>
> What are the actual performance and flight characteristics like. What are a
ctual empty weights and useful loads comming out to?
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with the LYCOMING XP360 engine by Mattituck wi
th the fadec system?
>
>
>
> Is anyone willing to talk to me on the phone and share their experience wi
th flying one?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any info you might provide.
>
>
>
> Barry
>
>
>
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