---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/10/12: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (Mike and Michele Patten) 2. 05:27 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (Galin Hernandez) 3. 05:41 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (ALFRED ROSA) 4. 06:04 AM - Roll pin (ALFRED ROSA) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (F. Tim Yoder) 6. 10:56 AM - Re: Roll pin (Galin Hernandez) 7. 11:02 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (Galin Hernandez) 8. 11:04 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (Galin Hernandez) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Torque (F. Tim Yoder) 10. 12:28 PM - Re: Roll pin (Galin Hernandez) 11. 12:43 PM - Re: Roll pin (David Tate) 12. 06:23 PM - Re: Roll pin (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:22 AM PST US From: "Mike and Michele Patten" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Galin, I didn't realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose leg. On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is parallel on the top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg by the roll pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1inch long and supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed this was the upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the retaining nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to move the wheel at a certain radius. Can't remember the load, but something like 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwise it will shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the ground observing. Hope this all makes sense. Regards, Mike. From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from one side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque do you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the bolt. Galin On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten wrote: Galin, The nose gear bolt on my KIS TR1 which has 1200 hrs on it with this part still intact has a roll pin which extends completely through from one side to the other. In my opinion this would be best engineering practice, and can't see any reason why you would do otherwise. Regards, Mike. From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 1:57 PM Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Has anybody had problems while torquing the nose gear friction bolt? I sheared the pin holding the bolt and had to get a new bolt machined. But it doesn't seem logical that the pin holding the bolt doesn't go all the way through to the other side. Does anybody know if there is a reason why the pin doesn't go all the way through the nose gear or can I drill the nose gear so the pin holds in two places not just one? Also, is that a special pin or would any rolled steel pin work? Galin http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:20 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque The bolt is threaded but there is no thread in the nose leg so it just slides in and out. The roll pin is what holds it in the nose leg. The only thing I can think is that instead of fabricating bolts for the nose gear they just purchased a standard 3/4" threaded stud and drilled the appropriate holes. How do you measure 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork? Galin On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote: > Galin,**** > > I didn=92t realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose l eg. > On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is parallel on t he > top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg by the ro ll > pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1inch long an d > supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed this was the > upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the retaining > nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to move the whee l > at a certain radius. Can=92t remember the load, but something like 10lbs at > the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwise it will > shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the ground > observing. Hope this all makes sense.**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > Mike.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from one > side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque do > you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 > ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special > equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the > bolt. > > Galin**** > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < > mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote:**** > > Galin,**** > > The nose gear bolt on my KIS TR1 which has 1200 hrs on it with this part > still intact has a roll pin which extends completely through from one sid e > to the other. In my opinion this would be best engineering practice, and > can=92t see any reason why you would do otherwise.**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > Mike.**** > > **** > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Monday, 9 July 2012 1:57 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque**** > > **** > > Has anybody had problems while torquing the nose gear friction bolt? I > sheared the pin holding the bolt and had to get a new bolt machined. But it > doesn't seem logical that the pin holding the bolt doesn't go all the way > through to the other side. Does anybody know if there is a reason why the > pin doesn't go all the way through the nose gear or can I drill the nose > gear so the pin holds in two places not just one? Also, is that a special > pin or would any rolled steel pin work?**** > > **** > > Galin**** > > * ***** > > * ***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List***** > > *http://forums.matronics.com***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** > > * ***** > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque From: ALFRED ROSA Galin, The bolt on my TR-4 is about 6" long and seems to be threaded into the leg- at least I don't see any roll pin holding the bolt. The bottom of the bolt has a castellated nut against Belville washers. Al ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:34 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Roll pin From: ALFRED ROSA Galin, This is a photo of my nose gear. The pin you see inserted in the front of the leg is a "radius stop" which hit the aluminum stop blocks and prevents the wheel from turning too much to either side. The pin is solid ss and threaded into the leg. I remember the original instructions in the manual recommended using a roll pin but many people had problems with it shearing off which is why I beefed up mine. Are you sure the roll pin in your leg is for holding the bolt? It might be the pin originally meant for a radius stop. Have you removed the bolt from the leg and saw it wasn't threaded? Al[image: Inline image 2] ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:42 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Galin, I use a simple fish weight spring scale to set the torque on my TR-1. I hook it on the yoke at the axel point and tighten the nut until It takes 30# of pull on the scale to move the yoke. The pounds required should be in your manual. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Galin Hernandez To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:26 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque The bolt is threaded but there is no thread in the nose leg so it just slides in and out. The roll pin is what holds it in the nose leg. The only thing I can think is that instead of fabricating bolts for the nose gear they just purchased a standard 3/4" threaded stud and drilled the appropriate holes. How do you measure 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork? Galin On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike and Michele Patten wrote: Galin, I didn=92t realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose leg. On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is parallel on the top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg by the roll pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1inch long and supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed this was the upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the retaining nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to move the wheel at a certain radius. Can=92t remember the load, but something like 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwise it will shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the ground observing. Hope this all makes sense. Regards, Mike. From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from one side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque do you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the bolt. Galin On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten wrote: Galin, The nose gear bolt on my KIS TR1 which has 1200 hrs on it with this part still intact has a roll pin which extends completely through from one side to the other. In my opinion this would be best engineering practice, and can=92t see any reason why you would do otherwise. Regards, Mike. From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 1:57 PM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Has anybody had problems while torquing the nose gear friction bolt? I sheared the pin holding the bolt and had to get a new bolt machined. But it doesn't seem logical that the pin holding the bolt doesn't go all the way through to the other side. Does anybody know if there is a reason why the pin doesn't go all the way through the nose gear or can I drill the nose gear so the pin holds in two places not just one? Also, is that a special pin or would any rolled steel pin work? Galin http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listtp://forums.matr onics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Roll pin From: Galin Hernandez Yes, I put a borescope up the nose leg and verified there are no threads there. The pin used only holds the bolt from falling out the bottom. The nose gear does not have a "radius stop" pin in the front. It doesn't even have the bolt pin sticking out the front. As soon as I sheared the pin, the bolt fell right out. Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, ALFRED ROSA wrote: > Galin, > > This is a photo of my nose gear. The pin you see inserted in the front of > the leg is a "radius stop" > which hit the aluminum stop blocks and prevents the wheel from turning too > much to either side. > The pin is solid ss and threaded into the leg. I remember the original > instructions in the manual recommended > using a roll pin but many people had problems with it shearing off which > is why I beefed up mine. > Are you sure the roll pin in your leg is for holding the bolt? It might > be the pin originally meant for a radius stop. > Have you removed the bolt from the leg and saw it wasn't threaded? > > Al[image: Inline image 2] > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque From: Galin Hernandez Tim, What do you mean you hook it on the yoke at the "axle point"? Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > ** > Galin, > > I use a simple fish weight spring scale to set the torque on my TR-1. I > hook it on the yoke at the axel point and tighten the nut until It takes > 30# of pull on the scale to move the yoke. The pounds required should be in > your manual. > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque > > The bolt is threaded but there is no thread in the nose leg so it just > slides in and out. The roll pin is what holds it in the nose leg. The onl y > thing I can think is that instead of fabricating bolts for the nose gear > they just purchased a standard 3/4" threaded stud and drilled the > appropriate holes. > > How do you measure 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork? > > Galin > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < > mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Galin,**** > > I didn=92t realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose l eg. > On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is parallel on t he > top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg by the ro ll > pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1inch long an d > supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed this was the > upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the retaining > nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to move the whee l > at a certain radius. Can=92t remember the load, but something like 10lbs at > the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwise it will > shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the ground > observing. Hope this all makes sense.**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > Mike.**** > > **** > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque**** > > **** > > Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from one > side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque do > you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 > ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special > equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the > bolt. > > Galin**** > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < > mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote:**** > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque From: Galin Hernandez Tim, Now that I re-read your e-mail it makes complete sense. "DUH" I will check to see how much torque is needed to move the nose gear fork. Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, Galin Hernandez wrote: > Tim, > > What do you mean you hook it on the yoke at the "axle point"? > > Galin > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, F. Tim Yoder wrote: > >> ** >> Galin, >> >> I use a simple fish weight spring scale to set the torque on my TR-1. I >> hook it on the yoke at the axel point and tighten the nut until It takes >> 30# of pull on the scale to move the yoke. The pounds required should be in >> your manual. >> >> Tim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Galin Hernandez >> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:26 AM >> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque >> >> The bolt is threaded but there is no thread in the nose leg so it just >> slides in and out. The roll pin is what holds it in the nose leg. The on ly >> thing I can think is that instead of fabricating bolts for the nose gear >> they just purchased a standard 3/4" threaded stud and drilled the >> appropriate holes. >> >> How do you measure 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork? >> >> Galin >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < >> mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Galin,**** >> >> I didn=92t realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose >> leg. On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is paralle l >> on the top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg b y >> the roll pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1in ch >> long and supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed th is >> was the upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the >> retaining nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to mo ve >> the wheel at a certain radius. Can=92t remember the load, but something like >> 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwi se >> it will shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the >> ground observing. Hope this all makes sense.**** >> >> **** >> >> Regards,**** >> >> Mike.**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez >> *Sent:* Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM >> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque**** >> >> **** >> >> Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from on e >> side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque d o >> you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 >> ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special >> equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the >> bolt. >> >> Galin**** >> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten < >> mikepapa@bigpond.com> wrote:**** >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* >> >> * >> =========== =========== =========== =========== >> * >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:57 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Galin, It needs to be pretty tight. you may need to use both hands to move the yoke. The wheel needs to be off the ground, of course. I have seen a Cirrus nose wheel shimmy so bad it blew up the wheel pant. Tim al Message ----- From: Galin Hernandez To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Tim, Now that I re-read your e-mail it makes complete sense. "DUH" I will check to see how much torque is needed to move the nose gear fork. Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, Galin Hernandez wrote: Tim, What do you mean you hook it on the yoke at the "axle point"? Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, F. Tim Yoder wrote: Galin, I use a simple fish weight spring scale to set the torque on my TR-1. I hook it on the yoke at the axel point and tighten the nut until It takes 30# of pull on the scale to move the yoke. The pounds required should be in your manual. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Galin Hernandez To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:26 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque The bolt is threaded but there is no thread in the nose leg so it just slides in and out. The roll pin is what holds it in the nose leg. The only thing I can think is that instead of fabricating bolts for the nose gear they just purchased a standard 3/4" threaded stud and drilled the appropriate holes. How do you measure 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork? Galin On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike and Michele Patten wrote: Galin, I didn=92t realise the bolt on your aircraft was threaded into the nose leg. On my aircraft the shaft which protrudes out of the leg is parallel on the top section where it goes into the leg and is held into the leg by the roll pin alone. The threaded section on the bottom is only about 1inch long and supports the belville washers and castellated nut. I assumed this was the upgraded gear, which replaced the original. The tension of the retaining nut is not definitive, but a function of a load required to move the wheel at a certain radius. Can=92t remember the load, but something like 10lbs at the rear of the nose fork. Best to err on the high side otherwise it will shimmy, which is not as obvious to the pilot as someone on the ground observing. Hope this all makes sense. Regards, Mike. From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 10:37 PM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Torque Thanks Mike. I am going to make it so the pin extends completely from one side to the other. It just seems logical to me. Also, how much torque do you put on the bolt? I read to tighten it until it takes between 20-30 ft/lb to move the nose gear but how do you measure this without special equipment? I have a torque wrench so I can put a specific amount on the bolt. Galin On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Mike and Michele Patten wrote: href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Roll pin From: Galin Hernandez I like the idea of having a fitting on the nose fork so you can grease it without taking the fork completely off. I will be doing this mod to my fork. Galin On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, ALFRED ROSA wrote: > Galin, > > This is a photo of my nose gear. The pin you see inserted in the front of > the leg is a "radius stop" > which hit the aluminum stop blocks and prevents the wheel from turning too > much to either side. > The pin is solid ss and threaded into the leg. I remember the original > instructions in the manual recommended > using a roll pin but many people had problems with it shearing off which > is why I beefed up mine. > Are you sure the roll pin in your leg is for holding the bolt? It might > be the pin originally meant for a radius stop. > Have you removed the bolt from the leg and saw it wasn't threaded? > > Al[image: Inline image 2] > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:03 PM PST US From: David Tate Subject: Re: KIS-List: Roll pin Galin=0A=0AThe nose gear origionally had a "radius stop" which, as-I reca ll -(not a very reliable source) was simply a roll pin in the nose rod an d-one on each side of the fork. The roll pins sheared off with some regul arity and I never was able to-make a good fix. Just made it a practice to -avoid sharp-turns. Your solution with blocks fixed on each side of the fork is neat (as long as you use something tougher than a roll pin in the nose rod). Wish I had thought of that.=0A-=0ADave=0A-=0A-=0A_________ _______________________=0A=0AFrom: Galin Hernandez =0AT o: "kis-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Roll pin=0A=0A=0A=0AYes, I put a borescope up the nose leg and verified there are no threads there. The pin used only holds the bolt from falling out the bottom. The nose gear does n ot have a "radius stop" pin in the front. It doesn't even have the bolt pin sticking out the front. As soon as I sheared the pin, the bolt fell right out.=0A=0AGalin=0A=0AOn Tuesday, July 10, 2012, ALFRED ROSA wrote:=0A=0AGa lin,=0A>=0A>=0A>This is a photo of my nose gear. -The pin you see inserte d in the front of the leg is a "radius stop" =0A>which hit the aluminum sto p blocks and prevents the wheel from turning too much to either side. =0A>T he pin is solid ss and threaded into the leg. -I remember the original in structions in the manual recommended=0A>using a roll pin but many people ha d problems with it shearing off which is why I beefed up mine. =0A>Are you sure the roll pin in your leg is for holding the bolt? -It might be the p in originally meant for a radius stop.=0A>Have you removed the bolt from th e leg and saw it wasn't threaded?=0A>=0A> =0A>Al ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:05 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Roll pin Well Dave I would still rely on your recollection for things like this. This isn't my solution but I am going to "borrow" it for the airplane. Galin On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, David Tate wrote: > Galin > The nose gear origionally had a "radius stop" which, as I recall (not a > very reliable source) was simply a roll pin in the nose rod and one on each > side of the fork. The roll pins sheared off with some regularity and I > never was able to make a good fix. Just made it a practice to avoid > sharp turns. Your solution with blocks fixed on each side of the fork is > neat (as long as you use something tougher than a roll pin in the nose > rod). Wish I had thought of that. > > Dave > > > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* "kis-list@matronics.com" > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Roll pin > > Yes, I put a borescope up the nose leg and verified there are no threads > there. The pin used only holds the bolt from falling out the bottom. The > nose gear does not have a "radius stop" pin in the front. It doesn't even > have the bolt pin sticking out the front. As soon as I sheared the pin, the > bolt fell right out. > > Galin > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, ALFRED ROSA wrote: > > Galin, > > This is a photo of my nose gear. The pin you see inserted in the front of > the leg is a "radius stop" > which hit the aluminum stop blocks and prevents the wheel from turning too > much to either side. > The pin is solid ss and threaded into the leg. I remember the original > instructions in the manual recommended > using a roll pin but many people had problems with it shearing off which > is why I beefed up mine. > Are you sure the roll pin in your leg is for holding the bolt? It might > be the pin originally meant for a radius stop. > Have you removed the bolt from the leg and saw it wasn't threaded? > > Al[image: Inline image 2] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.