---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/08/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:23 AM - Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (mark_trickel) 2. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (F. Tim Yoder) 3. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (ted scott) 4. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Robert Reed) 5. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (ALFRED ROSA) 6. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Scott Stearns) 7. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Graham Brighton) 8. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (William Schertz) 9. 10:02 PM - Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (mark_trickel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:58 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: "mark_trickel" Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. Mark Trickel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:23 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Hi Mark, I would like to have a copy of the list. You should have my info from the old list. Thank you, Tim N52TY (TR-1) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders > > Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, > > I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 > transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a > beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in > Narogdocches, Texas. > > There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were > produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 > TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. > > Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to > your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the > file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal > information to post on the web. > > Mark Trickel > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:00 AM PST US From: "ted scott" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders I AM BUILDING A TR4 AND IT IS FOR SALE.IT IS ABOUT 70% FINISHED.IT HAS A 180 HP XP360 ZERO TIME ENGINE.IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED MAKE AN OFFER.TED SCOTT 731 247 5643 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. Mark Trickel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:04 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Mark,=0A=0AJust to let you know, I did receive the list and do agree that t here might be =0Atoo much information to post the entire list on the web si te.- I will forward to =0Aanyone who needs it as well.=0A=0A=0A=0ATO ALL: =0A-=0AI know that the website has not been updated in a very long time a nd that some =0Aof you have submitted material that has not made it to the site.- The program =0Athat I have used for many years to maintain the web site is no longer supported =0Aby anyone.- It was the simplest program I could find that provided a what you =0Asee is what you get process and-th at did not involve any HTML coding.- It was =0Aeasy to use, was fast-an d worked great.- The issue is that I have changed out =0Acomputers and th e program I have used all these years will no longer work on my =0Anew syst ems.- I have found some other free programs (and some not so-free) -b ut =0Anone of them seem to work with the existing screens and coding withou t =0Asubstantial redo of everything.- Oh, and none of them are anywhere a s quick and =0Aeasy to use.- The whole process of connecting to the websi te has also changed =0Aand I am having-problems trying to make the connec tions to transfer =0Afiles.--Seems another of the programs that used to work doesn't work on my new =0Asystem.-- None of these issues is beyon d my capability to solve but they all =0Arequire an investment in time that I just don't have right now.- I would =0Aselfishly have to admit that I would rather spend any spare time that I have =0Aworking on my plane and th ere isn't a lot of that.=0A=0AI will try to get back to it as soon as I can but won't make any promises except =0Ato say that I just renewed the contr act for the site and the web address for =0Aanother year.=0A=0ABob Reed=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark_trickel =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, January 8, 2013 10:24:18 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders=0A=0A--> KIS-Lis t message posted by: "mark_trickel" =0A=0ARobert and other TR-4 builders and owners,=0A=0AI do not know of any other TR-4s in T exas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted =0Ato Texas but that airplane i s totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by =0ARalph Bernhardt now ow ned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas.=0A=0AThere were about 65 TR-4s prod uced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced =0Aby Pulsar. Of the tota l production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are =0Aabout 15 yet to find.=0A=0ARobert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builde rs list to your =0Aat&t address. If any other builders and owners want a co py of the file I will be =0Ahappy to send it along. I contains too much per sonal information to post on the =0Aweb.=0A=0AMark Trickel=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A ======================= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: ALFRED ROSA Mark, I would like the file. Al Rosa On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM, mark_trickel wrote: > > Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, > > I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 > transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a > beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in > Narogdocches, Texas. > > There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were > produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 > TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. > > Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to > your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file > I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information > to post on the web. > > Mark Trickel > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: Scott Stearns Hi Mark, You can add one more Cruiser build to the list Mark K and I are starting on the (nearly) all carbon cruiser near los angeles. It should be a pretty special airplane with a 540 built like my 360 (bendix FI, 10:1 pistons, ported heads, Pmags, and an SFC of 0.4 lb/hr/ HP). We are projecting 230 mph at 12,500' with a fixed prop at 13 gph and at least 180 gallons of fuel capasity. Scott On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:23 AM, "mark_trickel" wrote: > > Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, > > I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. > > There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. > > Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. > > Mark Trickel > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:55 PM PST US From: "Graham Brighton" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders G'Day Mark, How about the TR-1 's ...do u know how many kits were produced and how many are accounted for ..? I also would like the currant file/list .., Thanks Graham Brighton .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mark_trickel" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:23 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders > > Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, > > I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 > transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a > beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in > Narogdocches, Texas. > > There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were > produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 > TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. > > Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to > your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the > file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal > information to post on the web. > > Mark Trickel > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: William Schertz I would like the list also, Bill Schertz 80 hours with a Mazda Rotary Engine Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:44 AM, "F. Tim Yoder" wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I would like to have a copy of the list. You should have my info from the old list. > > Thank you, > > Tim N52TY (TR-1) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:23 AM > Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders > > >> >> Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, >> >> I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. >> >> There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. >> >> Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. >> >> Mark Trickel >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:34 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: "mark_trickel" Robert, I apologize I cannot read my own list, there is another flying Texan TR-4 - build by CJ Bonacum, now owned by Glen Westphal, in El Paso, Texas, a short 500 miles from you. I also apologize the list is already out of date ... I just found another crashed TR-1 while I was looking for the post O.C. Baker was referring to about the TR-4 nose gear. But I need to see if i can confirm the incident. Tim, Al, and anybody I sent the list to in the past - I will send out a current copy of the list for you. Ted Scott - sit tight, I am working on a new KIS website that will feature the history of KIS, High Tech Composites, some info on the Pulsar rendition of KIS, service bulletins, and a for sale page to list all the available kits and finished airplanes around the world. This site will complement Robert, and Galin's sites, and will include links to those sites and the forum. Ted can you post pictures of your project? Scott - I will add the Carbon Cruiser. I do not beleive either of Marks Crusiers had serial numbers. The last number I have found is Jerzey's #4059 and the Carbon Cruiser was made after that. Graham - I apologize I meant to add information about the TR-1s but ran out of time so here it is with a couple of other TR-4 facts: There are currently 20 KIS Cruiser TR-4s flying world wide and Robert Reed is on deck to fly next. There are 5 TR-4s that have crashed and are totaled out. The total production of TR-1s to the best of my knowledge was 130 in total (or at least that is the highest number I have found so far). There are just about 50 flying and 2 on deck that should be flying within a year or two. I can account for near 70 TR-1s. There are 10 TR-1s that have crashed and are totaled out. Sadly we lost 2 TR-1s in 2012, one might be rebuilt the other is a display on a paintball battle field in the UK. As I mentioned in a past post Rich shipped many kits into Florida but I can only identify a few. 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