---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/09/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Scott Stearns) 2. 01:45 AM - AW: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Twellmann, Ralf) 3. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (William Schertz) 4. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Mike Pienaar) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders (Scott Stearns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: Scott Stearns What kind of rotary? What kind of power, speed, fuel burn, etc are you getting? What is the empty weight? Thanks, Scott On Jan 8, 2013, at 5:46 PM, William Schertz wrote: > > I would like the list also, > Bill Schertz > 80 hours with a Mazda Rotary Engine > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:44 AM, "F. Tim Yoder" wrote: > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I would like to have a copy of the list. You should have my info from the old list. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Tim N52TY (TR-1) >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:23 AM >> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders >> >> >>> >>> Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, >>> >>> I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. >>> >>> There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. >>> >>> Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. >>> >>> Mark Trickel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:04 AM PST US Subject: AW: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: "Twellmann, Ralf" Hi Mark, i would also like to get the list. Best regards from Germany, Ralf Twellmann, KIS TR1-C # 104 -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von mark_trickel Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2013 17:24 An: kis-list@matronics.com Betreff: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. Mark Trickel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:03 AM PST US From: "William Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Mazda 13-B two rotor engine, Real World Solutions (RWS) electronic fuel injection and ignition, RWS gear reduction 2.85:1. ~150 mph cruise at 6000 - 6500 rpm (engine). Fuel burn ~ 8.5-9 G/hr at cruise, I estimate that I am getting between 165-170 hp, but no real way to test it. Empty weight 1450 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:13 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders What kind of rotary? What kind of power, speed, fuel burn, etc are you getting? What is the empty weight? Thanks, Scott On Jan 8, 2013, at 5:46 PM, William Schertz wrote: > > I would like the list also, > Bill Schertz > 80 hours with a Mazda Rotary Engine > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:44 AM, "F. Tim Yoder" > wrote: > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I would like to have a copy of the list. You should have my info from the >> old list. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Tim N52TY (TR-1) >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:23 AM >> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders >> >> >>> >>> Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, >>> >>> I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 >>> transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a >>> beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in >>> Narogdocches, Texas. >>> >>> There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were >>> produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 >>> TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. >>> >>> Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to >>> your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the >>> file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal >>> information to post on the web. >>> >>> Mark Trickel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:47 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders Hi Mark, Mike and Marlene Pienaar are also still building a TR-4. After moving with the project numerous times it is now finally (hopefully?) home in a hangar at Victoria airport in BC Canada (just across the border from Seattle) This is either kit 023 or 025 that was part of the consignment of a number of kits delivered to South Africa. Ours has the steerable front strut. The wings and all flying surfaces have been painted and are ready to go. We intend installing a LOM Praha M332 C in line 4 cylinder engine with a constant speed prop. The engine has been mounted and we are currently finishing the engine cowling. We have not yet closed the fuselage and will do that after wiring which will be the next step. If you can send us a list of the other TR-4 builders it would be appreciated. Please advise what other information you need. Keep well Mike and Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:23 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders > > Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, > > I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 > transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a > beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in > Narogdocches, Texas. > > There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were > produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 > TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. > > Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to > your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the > file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal > information to post on the web. > > Mark Trickel > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders From: Scott Stearns Tracy cook claims an sfc of 0.47 lb/hr/HP in cruise for his 13b. So 9 gal/hr is 54 lbs/hr and divide by 0.47 lb/hr/HP is 115 HP. The sfc at 100% power is normally lower. Probably around 0.55 lb/hr/HP. So to make 170 HP at that sfc would take a bit over 15 gal/hr. I searched but cant find a graph an sfc graph for a 13b. Scott On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:36 AM, "William Schertz" wrote: > > Mazda 13-B two rotor engine, Real World Solutions (RWS) electronic fuel injection and ignition, RWS gear reduction 2.85:1. > > ~150 mph cruise at 6000 - 6500 rpm (engine). Fuel burn ~ 8.5-9 G/hr at cruise, I estimate that I am getting between 165-170 hp, but no real way to test it. > > Empty weight 1450 > > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stearns > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:13 AM > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders > > > What kind of rotary? What kind of power, speed, fuel burn, etc are you getting? What is the empty weight > Thanks, > Scott > > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 5:46 PM, William Schertz wrote: > >> >> I would like the list also, >> Bill Schertz >> 80 hours with a Mazda Rotary Engine >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:44 AM, "F. Tim Yoder" wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> I would like to have a copy of the list. You should have my info from the old list. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Tim N52TY (TR-1) >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark_trickel" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:23 AM >>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Current TR-4 Cruiser Builders >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Robert and other TR-4 builders and owners, >>>> >>>> I do not know of any other TR-4s in Texas. There was the Davis TR-4 transplanted to Texas but that airplane is totaled out. There is a beautiful TR-1 built by Ralph Bernhardt now owned by Ray Muse in Narogdocches, Texas. >>>> >>>> There were about 65 TR-4s produced, 61 or 62 by Tri-R and about 4 were produced by Pulsar. Of the total production I can account for about 50 TR-4s so there are about 15 yet to find. >>>> >>>> Robert I sent the latest version of the KIS owners and builders list to your at&t address. If any other builders and owners want a copy of the file I will be happy to send it along. I contains too much personal information to post on the web. >>>> >>>> Mark Trickel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391802#391802 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.