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Mon 04/15/13


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     1. 11:51 AM - Re: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter (ted scott)
     2. 12:22 PM - Re: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter (John Forster)
     3. 01:50 PM - Re: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter (Robert Reed)
     4. 02:01 PM - door window (ALFRED ROSA)
     5. 02:33 PM - Re: door window (Scott Stearns)
     6. 04:56 PM - Re: door window (mark_trickel)
     7. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: door window (ALFRED ROSA)
 
 
 


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    Time: 11:51:23 AM PST US
    From: "ted scott" <teds532@wk.net>
    Subject: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter
    I THINK THAT I HAVE SOLD MY KIS TR4 FO4 $34,500.00.CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO WRITE A SALES AGREEMENT TO KEEP ME SAFE IF THE NEW BUILDER CRASHES AFTER HE FINISHES BUILDING.WE HAVE A LOT OF SUE HAPPY PEOPLE OUT THERE.THANK YOU. TED SCOTT -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: KIS-List: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar Chapter Sometime in 2009, Zizo Vilela made a trip to visit Pulsar in El Salvador. He wanted to make a deal with Yaron Degani to sell 4-place Cruiser kits in Brazil. Zizo was unable to work any kind of deal with Degani but he was able to buy one of the last Cruisers molded in the USA by Richard. I am not sure what Degani's business plan was, he did not want to be in the kit business but he sure courted people along the way and he took a bunch of deposits too. The delivery record was spotty at best, and at least one customer paid in full and received nothing (Daniel Ioannidis of Australia). While Degani's business plan was crumbling he never did fulfilled his obligations to Richard. Degani never fully paid for the KIS designs, nor did he fully compensate Richard while he was working for Degani. Richard was really stuck in El Salvador with no way to get out. Richard made a deal with Zizo to update the Cruiser and start a design he could market. Richard still had no money to get out of El Salvador, so he sold Ying's car to get enough money for airline tickets to make an escape. Richard had made a deal to sell his 2-place since Degani had taken (stole without Rich's consent) the fuel pump off the KIS (IO-240s notorius for fuel pump problems) and put it on the SP100, so he could not fly the TR-1 out. The night before he left El Salvador Richard, and our own Galin Hernnadez (working in country at the time) dragged the airplane to another hanger. Richard's reward for such a bold move was a lawsuit by Yaron Degani for taking his own airplane the prototype TR-1 N93RT (along with some other trumped up charge that Richard jeopardized Pulsar's free trade status (a crock of bull#!it). Degani thougth somehow it belonged to him since it came down to El Slavador in a container with other Pulsar materials loaded up by the last stateside Pulsar employee Jojo (last name slips my mind). Yaron Degani also sued Solly Melyon to get him out of the company back in 2005. Richard should have realized this guy was bad news. Degani left a trail of ripped off people. Pulsar even ripped me off for printing too. Somehow Zizo did take delivery of the Cruiser kit and now it is just about ready to fly. I had previously reported that there was a second Volato 400 about to fly but it is in fact this Cruiser, not a Volato 400. I also received confirmation from Ralf Twellmann that a Cruiser from Pulsar did make its way to Germany, to Robert van de Sandt. The father and son project is on hold while they are rebuilding a sailplane. Here are some youtube links to a few cool videos of this roomy version of the KIS Cruiser TR-4: Volato 400 GoPro HD Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gY7EhdIruOg&NR=1 Volato 400 air to air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q44Sy_hX0Y Landing in a Volato 400 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrMfNi2IJk I thought long and hard about posting this story (more than a year) but I feel it is important for all KIS builders and owners to known what happened with these cool airplane designs. When Richard sold the designs to Pulsar he really thought it was the best thing to do, and he thought the new owners would be able to continue to support the builders and continue to develop the designs. Sadly, that was not the case. Anytime there is information put up on the web in 30 days or less it will be picked up by the popular search engines around the world for all to see. I stand behind this story and welcome any challenge. In the words of Bush'42 bring it on! Enjoy the Videos. Mark Trickel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393994#393994


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    Time: 12:22:01 PM PST US
    From: John Forster <jforster@baisch.com>
    Subject: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter
    Take a look at this document from EAA. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/selling/purchase_sale_agreement.html I bought a completed and flying amateur built airplane and the builder asked me to sign this type of form. John John Forster, P.E. Corporate Director Executive Org. Development Lead Process Control Engineer Baisch Engineering Inc. 809 Hyland Ave., P.O. Box 440 Kaukauna, WI 54130-0440 920-766-3521 jforster@baisch.com www.baisch.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ted scott Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 1:51 PM Subject: RE: KIS-List: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter I THINK THAT I HAVE SOLD MY KIS TR4 FO4 $34,500.00.CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO WRITE A SALES AGREEMENT TO KEEP ME SAFE IF THE NEW BUILDER CRASHES AFTER HE FINISHES BUILDING.WE HAVE A LOT OF SUE HAPPY PEOPLE OUT THERE.THANK YOU. TED SCOTT -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: KIS-List: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar Chapter Sometime in 2009, Zizo Vilela made a trip to visit Pulsar in El Salvador. He wanted to make a deal with Yaron Degani to sell 4-place Cruiser kits in Brazil. Zizo was unable to work any kind of deal with Degani but he was able to buy one of the last Cruisers molded in the USA by Richard. I am not sure what Degani's business plan was, he did not want to be in the kit business but he sure courted people along the way and he took a bunch of deposits too. The delivery record was spotty at best, and at least one customer paid in full and received nothing (Daniel Ioannidis of Australia). While Degani's business plan was crumbling he never did fulfilled his obligations to Richard. Degani never fully paid for the KIS designs, nor did he fully compensate Richard while he was working for Degani. Richard was really stuck in El Salvador with no way to get out. Richard made a deal with Zizo to update the Cruiser and start a design he could market. Richard still had no money to get out of El Salvador, so he sold Ying's car to get enough money for airline tickets to make an escape. Richard had made a deal to sell his 2-place since Degani had taken (stole without Rich's consent) the fuel pump off the KIS (IO-240s notorius for fuel pump problems) and put it on the SP100, so he could not fly the TR-1 out. The night before he left El Salvador Richard, and our own Galin Hernnadez (working in country at the time) dragged the airplane to another hanger. Richard's reward for such a bold move was a lawsuit by Yaron Degani for taking his own airplane the prototype TR-1 N93RT (along with some other trumped up charge that Richard jeopardized Pulsar's free trade status (a crock of bull#!it). Degani thougth somehow it belonged to him since it came down to El Slavador in a container with other Pulsar materials loaded up by the last stateside Pulsar employee Jojo (last name slips my mind). Yaron Degani also sued Solly Melyon to get him out of the company back in 2005. Richard should have realized this guy was bad news. Degani left a trail of ripped off people. Pulsar even ripped me off for printing too. Somehow Zizo did take delivery of the Cruiser kit and now it is just about ready to fly. I had previously reported that there was a second Volato 400 about to fly but it is in fact this Cruiser, not a Volato 400. I also received confirmation from Ralf Twellmann that a Cruiser from Pulsar did make its way to Germany, to Robert van de Sandt. The father and son project is on hold while they are rebuilding a sailplane. Here are some youtube links to a few cool videos of this roomy version of the KIS Cruiser TR-4: Volato 400 GoPro HD Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gY7EhdIruOg&NR=1 Volato 400 air to air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q44Sy_hX0Y Landing in a Volato 400 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrMfNi2IJk I thought long and hard about posting this story (more than a year) but I feel it is important for all KIS builders and owners to known what happened with these cool airplane designs. When Richard sold the designs to Pulsar he really thought it was the best thing to do, and he thought the new owners would be able to continue to support the builders and continue to develop the designs. Sadly, that was not the case. Anytime there is information put up on the web in 30 days or less it will be picked up by the popular search engines around the world for all to see. I stand behind this story and welcome any challenge. In the words of Bush'42 bring it on! Enjoy the Videos. Mark Trickel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393994#393994


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    Time: 01:50:58 PM PST US
    From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter
    That's great news Ted, hope it goes through OK.- I saw another post with the =0Aanswer to your question.=0A=0ABOB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0AFrom: ted scott <teds532@wk.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Mon, April 15, 2013 1:51:31 PM=0ASubject: RE: KIS-List: Volato vi deos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter=0A=0A--> KIS-List message posted by: "ted scott" <teds532@wk.net>=0A=0AI THINK THAT I HAVE SOLD MY KIS TR4 F O4 $34,500.00.CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE=0ABEST WAY TO WRITE A SALES AGREEMENT TO KEEP ME SAFE IF THE NEW BUILDER=0ACRASHES- AFTER HE FINISHES BUILDING. WE HAVE A LOT OF SUE HAPPY PEOPLE OUT=0ATHERE.THANK YOU. TED SCOTT=0A=0A--- --Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mail to:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel=0ASent: S unday, February 10, 2013 3:47 PM=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: KI S-List: Volato videos/Important KIS history-Pulsar chapter=0A=0A--> KIS-Lis t message posted by: "mark_trickel" <marktrickel@gmail.com>=0A=0AVolato vid eos/Important KIS history-Pulsar Chapter=0A=0ASometime in 2009, Zizo Vilela made a trip to visit Pulsar in El Salvador. He=0Awanted to make a deal wit h Yaron Degani to sell 4-place Cruiser kits in=0ABrazil. Zizo was unable to work any kind of deal with Degani but he was able=0Ato buy one of the last Cruisers molded in the USA by Richard. I am not sure=0Awhat Degani's busin ess plan was, he did not want to be in the kit business=0Abut he sure court ed people along the way and he took a bunch of deposits=0Atoo. The delivery record was spotty at best, and at least one customer paid=0Ain full and re ceived nothing (Daniel Ioannidis of Australia).=0A=0AWhile Degani's busines s plan was crumbling he never did fulfilled his=0Aobligations to Richard. D egani never fully paid for the KIS designs, nor did=0Ahe fully compensate R ichard while he was working for Degani. Richard was=0Areally stuck in El Sa lvador with no way to get out. Richard made a deal with=0AZizo to update th e Cruiser and start a design he could market. Richard still=0Ahad no money to get out of El Salvador, so he sold Ying's car to get enough=0Amoney for airline tickets to make an escape. Richard had made a deal to sell=0Ahis 2- place since Degani had taken (stole without Rich's consent) the fuel=0Apump off the KIS (IO-240s notorius for fuel pump problems) and put it on the=0A SP100, so he could not fly the TR-1 out. The night before he left El=0ASalv ador Richard, and our own Galin Hernnadez (working in country at the=0Atime ) dragged the airplane to another hanger. =0A=0ARichard's reward for such a bold move was a lawsuit by Yaron Degani for=0Ataking his own airplane the prototype TR-1 N93RT (along with some other=0Atrumped up charge that Richar d jeopardized Pulsar's free trade status (a=0Acrock of bull#!it). Degani th ougth somehow it belonged to him since it came=0Adown to El Slavador in a c ontainer with other Pulsar materials loaded up by=0Athe last stateside Puls ar employee Jojo (last name slips my mind).=0A=0AYaron Degani also sued Sol ly Melyon to get him out of the company back in=0A2005. Richard should have realized this guy was bad news. Degani left a=0Atrail of ripped off people . Pulsar even ripped me off for printing too.=0A=0ASomehow Zizo did take de livery of the Cruiser kit and now it is just about=0Aready to fly. I had pr eviously reported that there was a second Volato 400=0Aabout to fly but it is in fact this Cruiser, not a Volato 400.=0A=0AI also received confirmatio n from Ralf Twellmann that a Cruiser from Pulsar=0Adid make its way to Germ any, to Robert van de Sandt. The father and son=0Aproject is on hold while they are rebuilding a sailplane.=0A=0AHere are some youtube links to a few cool videos of this roomy version of=0Athe KIS Cruiser TR-4:=0A=0AVolato 40 0 GoPro HD Video=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gY7 EhdIruOg&NR=1=0A=0AVolato 400 air to air=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6q44Sy_hX0Y=0A=0ALanding in a Volato 400=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch? v=mZrMfNi2IJk=0A=0AI thought long and hard about posting this story (more than a year) but I=0Afeel it is important for all KIS builders and owners to known what happened=0Awith these cool airplane designs. When Richard sol d the designs to Pulsar he=0Areally thought it was the best thing to do, an d he thought the new owners=0Awould be able to continue to support the buil ders and continue to develop=0Athe designs. Sadly, that was not the case. A nytime there is information put=0Aup on the web in 30 days or less it will be picked up by the popular search=0Aengines around the world for all to se e. I stand behind this story and=0Awelcome any challenge. In the words of B ush'42 bring it on!=0A=0AEnjoy the Videos.=0A=0AMark Trickel=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ====


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    Time: 02:01:00 PM PST US
    Subject: door window
    From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
    Does anyone know who supplies the molded plexi for the Cruiser. I have to replace a cracked pilot side window and can actually mold it myself but it's a lot of work. Al


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    Time: 02:33:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: door window
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    They are called Aircraft Windshield. www.aircraftwindshield.com I cracked one of my windows too. Scott On Apr 15, 2013, at 2:00 PM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know who supplies the molded plexi for the Cruiser. I have to replace a cracked pilot side window and can > actually mold it myself but it's a lot of work. > > Al > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 04:56:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: door window
    From: "mark_trickel" <marktrickel@gmail.com>
    Hello Al, Aircraft Windshields phone number is 562-430-8108 and Ruth runs the show there. The cost for the side window is between $400.00 and $500.00 plus shipping from sunny Southern California. This company has been in the aircraft window business for a long time, now on its second generation. They supply windows for many certified aircraft as well as amateur built aircraft. Once a window is molded it is resurfaced so the optics are as good as if there was no window in place, something that would be hard to replicate on your own (but not impossible). TR-4 windows are 3/16" thick. Windows are available in clear, light gray, and light green. The ladder two block 70% of UV light. Mark T. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398671#398671


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    Time: 06:21:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: door window
    From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
    Thanks Mark, That's too much for me to spend for something I can do for the cost of a piece of Plexi and some materials for making the mold and oven. Actually, my side windows are 1/8"(.125) thick. Only the windshield is 3/16". I can live with slight optical distortion, if there really is any, since it's not the windshield. Al On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:55 PM, mark_trickel <marktrickel@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Al, > > Aircraft Windshields phone number is 562-430-8108 and Ruth runs the show > there. The cost for the side window is between $400.00 and $500.00 plus > shipping from sunny Southern California. This company has been in the > aircraft window business for a long time, now on its second generation. > They supply windows for many certified aircraft as well as amateur built > aircraft. Once a window is molded it is resurfaced so the optics are as > good as if there was no window in place, something that would be hard to > replicate on your own (but not impossible). TR-4 windows are 3/16" thick. > Windows are available in clear, light gray, and light green. The ladder two > block 70% of UV light. > > Mark T. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398671#398671 > >




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