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1. 03:49 AM - center stick question (Owen Baker)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: center stick question (Robert Reed)
3. 09:28 AM - Re: center stick question (Owen Baker)
4. 12:26 PM - Re: center stick question (Scott Stearns)
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| Subject: | center stick question |
4/17/2013
Hello Robert Reed, You wrote: "Vance also came up with the center stick that
I am going to be using."
I am not familiar with this center stick modification. Can you please post a
description of it, maybe even a picture, and tell us why you are using it?
Thanks,
OC
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Time: 03:49:53 PM PST US
From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: door window
OC,=0A=0AI know that after this long period of time that many of the source
s will have =0Adried up but if we can locate those that are still out there
it will make life a =0Abit easier.=0A=0AVance also came up with the center
stick that I am going to be using.
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| Subject: | Re: center stick question |
Owen,=0A=0AThe why was to keep the KISS while still giving me the ability t
o have =0Aadjustable seats without a stick coming up between the legs.- I
wanted to =0Amaintain the same dynamics as the controls in the original ki
t and didn't want =0Athe complications of the yoke system that you are usin
g.- I sketched out a =0Acouple of ideas and passed them to Vance who refi
ned them and produced the final =0Acontrol.- It keeps the same push rod c
ontrol for the elevator and just uses a =0Acouple of longer control rods fo
r the connections to the aileron rocker arms.- =0AIt keeps it SIMPLE=0A
=0AThere is a drawing and a couple of photos at:=0A=0Ahttp://www.kisbuild.o
nfinal18.com/MyControlStick.html#Control=0A=0AI didn't take any photos of t
he installation when I did the trial fit on the =0Awings but everything wor
ked as planned and all controls worked as designed.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net>=0ATo: r
obertr237@att.net; KIS-LIST MATRONICS <kis-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Wed,
April 17, 2013 5:49:20 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: center stick question=0A=0A
2013=0A=0AHello Robert Reed, You wrote: "Vance also came up with the center
stick that I =0Aam going to be using."=0A=0AI am not familiar with this ce
nter stick modification. Can you please post a =0Adescription of it, maybe
even a picture, and tell us why you are using it?=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AOC=0A
=0A========================
======================0A=0A=0ATim
e: 03:49:53 PM PST US=0AFrom: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>=0ASubject: R
e: KIS-List: Re: door window=0A=0AOC,=0A=0AI know that after this long
period of time that many of the source=0As will have =0Adried up but if w
e can locate those that are still out there=0Ait will make life a =0Abit
easier.=0A=0AVance also came up with the center=0Astick that I am going
=========================0A
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| Subject: | Re: center stick question |
4/17/2013
Hello Bob Reed, Thanks for the quick response and the very interesting
design modification. May I ask a few questions?
1) So the single center control stick is to the right of pilots right leg
and to the left of the co pilots left leg as they are seated in the
cockpit?
2) If the answer to 1 is YES then the pilot really has normal access to the
stick only with his right hand and the co pilot only has normal access to
the stick with his left hand, correct?
3) Does it follow then that while flying the pilot must control the throttle
with his left hand and the co pilot must control the throttle with his right
hand?
4) If the answer to 3 is YES then the pilot and co pilot must each have
access to a separate throttle control mounted either on the fuselage inside
or on the far left and right corners of the instrument panel, correct?
5) And are you going to provide two separate side throttle controls?
6) When a right handed pilot is flying along with his kneeboard on top of
his right thigh, his right hand on the center control stick, and ATC makes a
radio transmission that the pilot must copy, how does he write it down?
Thanks for helping me understand your modification.
OC
PS: You wrote: ....... didn't want the complications of the yoke system
that you are using.
I have the standard control stick arrangement on my KIS TR-1 with the two
control sticks coming up between the pilots and co pilots legs. I think
that it was Al Rosa who installed a two yoke system in his KIS four place.
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From: Robert Reed
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: center stick question
Owen,
The why was to keep the KISS while still giving me the ability to have
adjustable seats without a stick coming up between the legs. I wanted to
maintain the same dynamics as the controls in the original kit and didn't
want the complications of the yoke system that you are using. I sketched
out a couple of ideas and passed them to Vance who refined them and produced
the final control. It keeps the same push rod control for the elevator and
just uses a couple of longer control rods for the connections to the aileron
rocker arms. It keeps it SIMPLE
There is a drawing and a couple of photos at:
http://www.kisbuild.onfinal18.com/MyControlStick.html#Control
I didn't take any photos of the installation when I did the trial fit on the
wings but everything worked as planned and all controls worked as designed.
Bob
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From: Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net>
Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 5:49:20 AM
Subject: KIS-List: center stick question
4/17/2013
Hello Robert Reed, You wrote: "Vance also came up with the center stick that
I am going to be using."
I am not familiar with this center stick modification. Can you please post a
description of it, maybe even a picture, and tell us why you are using it?
Thanks,
OC
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| Subject: | Re: center stick question |
I went with a center stick on my TR-1. It is very comfortable to fly with your
fore arm resting on the center console and not have the stick between your legs,
and your passengers legs, makes long trips a lot better. I love being able
to fly with my iPad or my lunch in my lap.
The Cruiser Mark K and I are building will have a center stick and we may run the
forward pitch tube under the fuselage to open up as much interior space as
possible.
Like OC said the big concideration is that only your right hand can reach the controls
so you need to be able to operate the radios, flaps, lights, etc with
your left hand so those controls need to be on the left side of the panel.
There is a picture of my panel on Bob Reeds site showing the switches and autopilot
on the far left of the panel and the Garmin 430 on the center-left. Works
great.
I can send picture of my center stick mechanism if anyone would like to see it.
Scott
On Apr 17, 2013, at 9:28 AM, "Owen Baker " <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/17/2013
>
> Hello Bob Reed, Thanks for the quick response and the very interesting design
modification. May I ask a few questions?
>
> 1) So the single center control stick is to the right of pilots right leg and
to the left of the co pilots left leg as they are seated in the cockpit?
>
> 2) If the answer to 1 is YES then the pilot really has normal access to the stick
only with his right hand and the co pilot only has normal access to the stick
with his left hand, correct?
>
> 3) Does it follow then that while flying the pilot must control the throttle
with his left hand and the co pilot must control the throttle with his right hand?
>
> 4) If the answer to 3 is YES then the pilot and co pilot must each have access
to a separate throttle control mounted either on the fuselage inside or on the
far left and right corners of the instrument panel, correct?
>
> 5) And are you going to provide two separate side throttle controls?
>
> 6) When a right handed pilot is flying along with his kneeboard on top of his
right thigh, his right hand on the center control stick, and ATC makes a radio
transmission that the pilot must copy, how does he write it down?
>
> Thanks for helping me understand your modification.
>
> OC
>
> PS: You wrote: ....... didn't want the complications of the yoke system that
you are using.
>
> I have the standard control stick arrangement on my KIS TR-1 with the two control
sticks coming up between the pilots and co pilots legs. I think that it was
Al Rosa who installed a two yoke system in his KIS four place.
>
> ==========================================================================================
>
> From: Robert Reed
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:05 AM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: center stick question
>
> Owen,
>
> The why was to keep the KISS while still giving me the ability to have adjustable
seats without a stick coming up between the legs. I wanted to maintain the
same dynamics as the controls in the original kit and didn't want the complications
of the yoke system that you are using. I sketched out a couple of ideas
and passed them to Vance who refined them and produced the final control.
It keeps the same push rod control for the elevator and just uses a couple of
longer control rods for the connections to the aileron rocker arms. It keeps
it SIMPLE
>
> There is a drawing and a couple of photos at:
>
> http://www.kisbuild.onfinal18.com/MyControlStick.html#Control
> I didn't take any photos of the installation when I did the trial fit on the
wings but everything worked as planned and all controls worked as designed.
>
> Bob
>
> ====================================================================================
>
> From: Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net>
> To: robertr237@att.net; KIS-LIST MATRONICS <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 5:49:20 AM
> Subject: KIS-List: center stick question
>
>
> 4/17/2013
>
> Hello Robert Reed, You wrote: "Vance also came up with the center stick that
I am going to be using."
>
> I am not familiar with this center stick modification. Can you please post a
description of it, maybe even a picture, and tell us why you are using it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> OC
>
>
>
>
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