---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/03/13: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:58 AM - Re: Definition of Insanity (Scott Stearns) 2. 09:55 AM - Taildragger Cruiser (Scott Stearns) 3. 10:50 AM - Re: Definition of Insanity (Robert Reed) 4. 10:52 AM - Re: Taildragger Cruiser (Robert Reed) 5. 02:16 PM - Re: Definition of Insanity (Galin Hernandez) 6. 08:20 PM - Re: Definition of Insanity (Robert Reed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Definition of Insanity From: Scott Stearns Wow, sounds like quite an ordeal. My airport also does not allow painting i n a hangar either. I painted my airplane outside on low wind days one part a t a time. It sounds crazy but it worked fine and after color sanding and bu ffing it looks great. I had a similar run experience in places. I had pret ty good luck scraping the runs down with a razor blade and then sanding and b uffing them out, but I had to sand and repaint some of it. Lots of thin co ats with 10-15 minutes of drying time between coats worked best for me. Scott On Jun 2, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Robert Reed wrote: > > Where is everyone? This list has been very quiet for too long. > > I have often heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Well, based on that definition I am clearly INSANE. > > I always try to do my research on all the options before I undertake doing something. I try to plan ahead and consider all the issues before making a decision on how to best accomplish the task at hand. That is exactly what I did when I decided how I was going to get the plane painted. The airport w here I have the plane doesn't allowing spray painting in the T-hangars and d oesn't have a paint shop on the field. That combined with me not having a p aint shop at home led me to research alternatives. After looking at many di fferent alternatives and paints I found the System Three Paints which are hi ghly regarded for fiberglass boats and yachts use. First, the paints are wa ter based polyurethane with very low VOC's. Secondly they are formulated fo r either spray or Roll & Tip application. My plan was to use the Roll & Tip for the Primer and for the Color Coat. Following that, I had decided to tr y and spray the clear high gloss coating. > > I had already put three coats of primer on both wings some time back and t he primer went on very smooth using the roll and tip. I had some issues wit h the primer drying a bit too fast and by the time I got through the bottom s ide of the wing it appeard to show some brush marks. The primer sanded down well though and the brush marks disappeared. Now this is where the trouble starts and insanity rules. After I primed the wings I started to SECOND GU ESS my decisions. I bought a second tank for my compressor, bought some HVL P spray guns, additional hose, filter, and decided to spray the color coats i nstead of using the roll and tip. Now I know and have known for many years t hat every single time I have Second Guessed myself the results have always b een BAD but once again, I did it. > > I took the week off last week to try and get something done on the plane. My plan was to get at least one wing fully painted and possibly a bit more a ccomplished too. Both wings were already primed so I took a day to sand and prep one wing. Next I needed to clean out the shop so that I had some room to move around without falling all over everything. With two wings, the wi ng cart, flaps, ailerons, doors, rudder, elevators, and all of my tools cram med into the shop, something had to give. The first to give was the car in t he garage. Moved most of the stuff into the garage. > > Then I bought a bunch of 3/4 inch PVC pipe, a lot of plastic sheeting, and fabricated a makeshift paint booth inside the shop. It actually looked pre tty good when finished but took way too much time. Finally, I mopped, moppe d, and mopped the floor until I got the sanding dust and dirt cleaned up. A fter letting the shop set overnight with the airconditioner running to let a ny remaining dust settle and filter out, I wet down the floor and prepared t he paint for spraying. I had already tested the spray guns for pattern and e verything looked OK as far as I could determine. I sprayed the first coat o f color with what seemed like a light coat but the coverage wasn't good and i t seemed spotty. The spray drops had not joined and there was no flow out. I figured the second coat would fill in the color but needed a touch more t hinning. The Second coat seemed to be going on much better with good covera ge and I moved down one side of the wing and then the other. The wing is ha nging from the ceiling and as I was painting everything looked good, no visi ble runs. After I finished the bottom side, I looked down the wing and it l ooked great. I disconnected the gun and went outside to clean the gun very s atisfied with the apparent result. > > Ten minutes or so later after cleaning the gun with water and air I went b ack into the shop. What I saw was enough to make this grown man cry. There were runs everywhere!!!!!!!! Both the Top and the Bottom of the wing had r uns and bald spots where the paint had simply slipped off the surface and do wn the wing. It was the WORST paint job ever. I am not sure if I put too m uch paint on, thinned it too much, or what but it was a total disaster. I k new the only thing I could do was let the paint dry, sand it down and either re-prime or try again. Now the one thing that the System Three paint is we ll know for is being a very tough finish and I am here to testify to that po int. If the crosslinker is added to the color coat it forms a very HARD, du rable, and chemical (gas) resistant finish. What that means to me is a fini sh of runs that are first cousin to trying to sand concrete. This paint is t ough and sanding it down took all day long with a power sander. I never did get all the paint off but did get it smooth again. Since that much sanding cut through some of the primer as well I had to reprime the wing with two a dditional primer coats. > > I was frustrated and angry with myself for second guessing what I decided t o do and I payed the price. I tore down the paint booth plastic and PVC, cl eaned everything up and spent the rest of the week priming all the other par ts with three coats of primer. If I can get the color coats to go on as smo oth as the primer the paint job will look great. The primer is so smooth (N O RUNS) that I will only have to do a very light sanding before putting on t he color. I didn't get anything fully painted this week but all the removab le parts (Wings, doors, flaps, ailerons, elevators and rudder) have been pri med with three coats. Next weekend I will sand and touch-up any issues but w ill wait for the next weekend to start color again. This time, I will NOT S ECOND GUESS my decisions and I will not get in a rush. Three light color co ats using the roll and tip application on the first day. Sand and touch-up i f necessary with 600 grit wet paper and follow with two or three coats of Cl ear Gloss coating on the second day. The cross linked paint is best applied within 24 hours or full sanding is required. > > Finally, if necessary I will color sand, compound, and buff finish. It wi ll take a lot more time, a lot more work sanding, sanding, sanding, and some more sanding but I hope the results will be worth it. What it won't involv e is more second guessing. > > NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHY I DIDN"T BUILD AN RV-6? > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:57 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: KIS-List: Taildragger Cruiser Hello Everyone,=0A-=0AI photoshopped a picture to get an idea of what a t aildragger cruiser would look like.=0A-=0AOpinions?- Would you have ord ered a taildragger if it were an option?- What about if you were buying a built and flying one?=0A-=0ACheers,=0AScott ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:07 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Definition of Insanity Going to do all the sanding this coming weekend and then try a couple of sm all =0Apieces with the roll and tip of color coat to get the feel of the pa int and how =0Ait flows out.- If all goes well then will attempt the wing again.- At least with =0Athe roll and tip I know I can control the thick ness of each coat.- Color sanding =0Awill probably be the rule but I know it works.=0A=0ABOB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Scott Stearns =0ATo: "kis-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Mon, June 3, 2013 10:59:29 AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-L ist: Definition of Insanity=0A=0A=0AWow, sounds like quite an ordeal. -My airport also does not allow painting in a =0Ahangar either. -I painted m y airplane outside on low wind days one part at a =0Atime. -It sounds cra zy but it worked fine and after color sanding and buffing it =0Alooks great . -I had a similar run experience in places. -I had pretty good luck =0Ascraping the runs down with a razor blade and then sanding and buffing t hem out, =0Abut I had to sand and repaint some of it. - Lots of thin coat s with 10-15 =0Aminutes of drying time between coats worked best for me.=0A =0AScott=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jun 2, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Robert Reed wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A>Where is everyone?- This list has been ver y quiet for too long.- =0A>=0A>I have often heard the definition of insan ity is doing the same thing over and =0A>over expecting a different result. - Well, based on that definition I am clearly =0A>INSANE.- =0A>=0A>=0A> I always try to do my research on all the options before I undertake doing =0A>something.- I try to plan ahead and consider all the issues before ma king a =0A>decision on how to best accomplish the task at hand.- That is exactly what I did =0A>when I decided how I was going to get the plane pain ted.- The airport where I =0A>have the plane doesn't allowing spray paint ing in the T-hangars and doesn't have =0A>a paint shop on the field.- Tha t combined with me not having a paint shop at =0A>home led me to research a lternatives.- After looking at many different =0A>alternatives and paints I found the System Three Paints-which are highly =0A>regarded for fiberg lass boats and yachts use.- First, the paints are water based =0A>polyure thane-with very low VOC's.- Secondly they are formulated for either spr ay =0A>or Roll & Tip application.- My plan was to use the Roll & Tip for the Primer and =0A>for the Color Coat.- Following that, I had decided to try and spray the clear =0A>high gloss coating.=0A>=0A>I had already put th ree coats of primer on both wings some time back and the =0A>primer went on very smooth using the roll and tip.- I had some issues with the =0A>prim er drying a bit too fast and-by the time I got through the bottom side of =0A>the wing it appeard to show some brush marks.- The primer sanded dow n well =0A>though and the brush marks disappeared.- Now this is where the trouble starts =0A>and insanity rules.- After I primed the wings I start ed to SECOND GUESS my =0A>decisions.- I bought a second tank for my compr essor, bought some HVLP spray =0A>guns, additional hose, filter, and decide d to spray the color coats instead of =0A>using the roll and tip.- Now I know and have known for many years that every =0A>single time I have Second Guessed myself the results have always been BAD but =0A>once again, I did it.=0A>=0A>I took the week off last week to try and get something done on t he plane.- My =0A>plan was to get at least one wing fully painted and pos sibly a bit more =0A>accomplished too.- Both wings were already primed so I took a day to sand and =0A>prep-one wing.- Next I needed to clean ou t the shop so that I had some room to =0A>move around without falling all o ver everything.- With two wings, the wing cart, =0A>flaps, ailerons, door s, rudder, elevators, and all of my tools crammed into the =0A>shop,-some thing had to give.- The first to give was the car in the garage.- =0A>M oved most of the stuff into the garage.- =0A>=0A>=0A>Then I bought a bunc h of 3/4 inch PVC pipe, a lot of plastic sheeting, and =0A>fabricated a mak eshift paint booth inside the shop.- It actually looked pretty =0A>good w hen finished but took way too much time.- Finally, I mopped, mopped, and =0A>mopped the floor until I got the sanding dust and dirt cleaned up.- A fter =0A>letting the shop set overnight with the airconditioner running to let any =0A>remaining dust settle and filter out,-I wet down the floor an d prepared the =0A>paint for spraying.- I had already tested the spray gu ns for pattern and =0A>everything looked OK as far as I could determine.- I sprayed the first coat of =0A>color with what seemed like a light coat b ut the coverage wasn't good and it =0A>seemed spotty.- The spray drops ha d not joined and there was no flow out.- I =0A>figured the second coat wo uld fill in the color but needed a touch more =0A>thinning.- The Second c oat seemed to be going on much better with good coverage =0A>and I moved do wn one side of the wing and then the other.- The wing is hanging =0A>from the ceiling and as I was painting everything looked good, no visible runs. - =0A>After I finished the-bottom side, I looked down the wing and it l ooked great.- I =0A>disconnected the gun and went outside to clean the gu n very satisfied with the =0A>apparent result.- =0A>=0A>=0A>Ten minutes o r so later after cleaning the gun with water and air I went back =0A>into t he shop.- What I saw was enough to make this grown man cry.- There were =0A>runs everywhere!!!!!!!!- Both the Top and the Bottom of the wing had runs and =0A>bald spots where the paint had simply slipped off the surface and down the =0A>wing.- It was the WORST paint job ever.- I am not sur e if I put too much paint =0A>on, thinned it too much, or what but it was a total disaster.- I knew the only =0A>thing I could do was let the paint dry, sand it down and either re-prime or try =0A>again.- Now the one thin g that the System Three paint is well know for is being =0A>a very tough fi nish and I am here to testify to that point.- If the crosslinker =0A>is a dded to the color coat it forms a very HARD, durable, and chemical (gas) =0A>resistant finish.- What that means to me is a finish of runs that are first =0A>cousin to trying to sand concrete.- This paint is tough and sa nding it down took =0A>all day long with a power sander.- I never did get all the paint off but did get =0A>it smooth again.- Since that much sand ing cut through some of the primer as well =0A>I had to reprime the wing wi th two additional primer coats.=0A>=0A>I was frustrated and angry with myse lf for second guessing what I decided to do =0A>and I payed the price.- I tore down the paint booth-plastic and PVC, cleaned =0A>everything up and spent the rest of the week priming all the other parts with =0A>three coat s of primer.- If I can get the color coats to go on as smooth as the =0A> primer the paint job will look great.- The primer is so smooth (NO RUNS) -that I =0A>will only have to do a very light sanding before putting on t he color.- I didn't =0A>get anything fully painted this week but all the removable parts (Wings, doors, =0A>flaps, ailerons, elevators and rudder) h ave been primed with three coats.- Next =0A>weekend I will sand and touch -up any issues but will wait for the-next weekend =0A>to start color agai n.- This time, I will NOT SECOND GUESS my decisions and I =0A>will not ge t in a rush.- Three light color coats using the roll and tip =0A>applicat ion on the first day.- Sand and touch-up if necessary with 600 grit wet =0A>paper and follow with two or three coats of Clear Gloss coating on the second =0A>day.- The cross linked paint is best applied within 24 hours o r full sanding is =0A>required.- =0A>=0A>=0A>Finally, if necessary I will color sand, compound, and buff finish.- It will =0A>take a lot more time , a lot more work sanding, sanding, sanding, and some more =0A>sanding but I hope the results will be worth it.- What it won't involve is more =0A>s econd guessing.=0A>=0A>NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHY I DIDN"T BUILD AN RV-6?=0A>=0A > ======================== =========== //www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List =0A>======================= ============ cs.com ========== =0A>matronics.com/contribution ============== ===================== =0A>=0A _ -======================== ========== =0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:16 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Taildragger Cruiser No, four place tail dragger was never a consideration.- Guess I am not OL D =0Aschool enough.=0A=0ABOB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Scott Stearns =0ATo: "kis-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Mon, June 3, 2013 11:56:32 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Taildragger Cruiser=0A=0A=0AHello Everyone,=0A-=0AI photoshoppe d a picture to get an idea of what a taildragger cruiser would look =0Alike .=0A-=0AOpinions?- Would you have ordered a taildragger if it were an o ption?- What =0Aabout if you were buying a built and flying one?=0A-=0A Cheers,=0AScott ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Definition of Insanity From: Galin Hernandez Because you wanted a 4 place airplane with excellent performance! Hang in ther! On Sunday, June 2, 2013, Robert Reed wrote: > > Where is everyone? This list has been very quiet for too long. > > I have often heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over > and over expecting a different result. Well, based on that definition I am > clearly INSANE. > > I always try to do my research on all the options before I undertake doing > something. I try to plan ahead and consider all the issues before making a > decision on how to best accomplish the task at hand. That is exactly what > I did when I decided how I was going to get the plane painted. The airport > where I have the plane doesn't allowing spray painting in the T-hangars and > doesn't have a paint shop on the field. That combined with me not having a > paint shop at home led me to research alternatives. After looking at many > different alternatives and paints I found the System Three Paints which are > highly regarded for fiberglass boats and yachts use. First, the paints are > water based polyurethane with very low VOC's. Secondly they are formulated > for either spray or Roll & Tip application. My plan was to use the Roll & > Tip for the Primer and for the Color Coat. Following that, I had decided > to try and spray the clear high gloss coating. > > I had already put three coats of primer on both wings some time back and > the primer went on very smooth using the roll and tip. I had some issues > with the primer drying a bit too fast and by the time I got through the > bottom side of the wing it appeard to show some brush marks. The primer > sanded down well though and the brush marks disappeared. Now this is where > the trouble starts and insanity rules. After I primed the wings I started > to SECOND GUESS my decisions. I bought a second tank for my compressor, > bought some HVLP spray guns, additional hose, filter, and decided to spray > the color coats instead of using the roll and tip. Now I know and have > known for many years that every single time I have Second Guessed myself > the results have always been BAD but once again, I did it. > > I took the week off last week to try and get something done on the plane. > My plan was to get at least one wing fully painted and possibly a bit more > accomplished too. Both wings were already primed so I took a day to sand > and prep one wing. Next I needed to clean out the shop so that I had some > room to move around without falling all over everything. With two wings, > the wing cart, flaps, ailerons, doors, rudder, elevators, and all of my > tools crammed into the shop, something had to give. The first to give was > the car in the garage. Moved most of the stuff into the garage. > > Then I bought a bunch of 3/4 inch PVC pipe, a lot of plastic sheeting, and > fabricated a makeshift paint booth inside the shop. It actually looked > pretty good when finished but took way too much time. Finally, I mopped, > mopped, and mopped the floor until I got the sanding dust and dirt cleaned > up. After letting the shop set overnight with the airconditioner running > to let any remaining dust settle and filter out, I wet down the floor and > prepared the paint for spraying. I had already tested the spray guns for > pattern and everything looked OK as far as I could determine. I sprayed > the first coat of color with what seemed like a light coat but the coverage > wasn't good and it seemed spotty. The spray drops had not joined and there > was no flow out. I figured the second coat would fill in the color but > needed a touch more thinning. The Second coat seemed to be going on much > better with good coverage and I moved down one side of the wing and then > the other. The wing is hanging from the ceiling and as I was painting > everything looked good, no visible runs. After I finished the bottom side, > I looked down the wing and it looked great. I disconnected the gun and > went outside to clean the gun very satisfied with the apparent result. > > Ten minutes or so later after cleaning the gun with water and air I went > back into the shop. What I saw was enough to make this grown man cry. > There were runs everywhere!!!!!!!! Both the Top and the Bottom of the wing > had runs and bald spots where the paint had simply slipped off the surface > and down the wing. It was the WORST paint job ever. I am not sure if I > put too much paint on, thinned it too much, or what but it was a total > disaster. I knew the only thing I could do was let the paint dry, sand it > down and either re-prime or try again. Now the one thing that the System > Three paint is well know for is being a very tough finish and I am here to > testify to that point. If the crosslinker is added to the color coat it > forms a very HARD, durable, and chemical (gas) resistant finish. What that > means to me is a finish of runs that are first cousin to trying to sand > concrete. This paint is tough and sanding it down took all day long with a > power sander. I never did get all the paint off but did get it smooth > again. Since that much sanding cut through some of the primer as well I > had to reprime the wing with two additional primer coats. > > I was frustrated and angry with myself for second guessing what I decided > to do and I payed the price. I tore down the paint booth plastic and PVC, > cleaned everything up and spent the rest of the week priming all the other > parts with three coats of primer. If I can get the color coats to go on as > smooth as the primer the paint job will look great. The primer is so > smooth (NO RUNS) that I will only have to do a very light sanding before > putting on the color. I didn't get anything fully painted this week but > all the removable parts (Wings, doors, flaps, ailerons, elevators and > rudder) have been primed with three coats. Next weekend I will sand and > touch-up any issues but will wait for the next weekend to start color > again. This time, I will NOT SECOND GUESS my decisions and I will not get > in a rush. Three light color coats using the roll and tip application on > the first day. Sand and touch-up if necessary with 600 grit wet paper and > follow with two or three coats of Clear Gloss coating on the second day. > The cross linked paint is best applied within 24 hours or full sanding is > required. > > Finally, if necessary I will color sand, compound, and buff finish. It > will take a lot more time, a lot more work sanding, sanding, sanding, and > some more sanding but I hope the results will be worth it. What it won't > involve is more second guessing. > > NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHY I DIDN"T BUILD AN RV-6? > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Definition of Insanity From: Robert Reed Yep, and there I go again Second guessing myself...totally insane! Bob Reed Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Galin Hernandez wrote: > Because you wanted a 4 place airplane with excellent performance! Hang in t her! > > > On Sunday, June 2, 2013, Robert Reed wrote: >> >> Where is everyone? This list has been very quiet for too long. >> >> I have often heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing ove r and over expecting a different result. Well, based on that definition I a m clearly INSANE. >> >> I always try to do my research on all the options before I undertake doin g something. I try to plan ahead and consider all the issues before making a decision on how to best accomplish the task at hand. That is exactly what I did when I decided how I was going to get the plane painted. The airport w here I have the plane doesn't allowing spray painting in the T-hangars and d oesn't have a paint shop on the field. That combined with me not having a p aint shop at home led me to research alternatives. After looking at many di fferent alternatives and paints I found the System Three Paints which are hi ghly regarded for fiberglass boats and yachts use. First, the paints are wa ter based polyurethane with very low VOC's. Secondly they are formulated fo r either spray or Roll & Tip application. My plan was to use the Roll & Tip for the Primer and for the Color Coat. Following that, I had decided to tr y and spray the clear high gloss coating. >> >> I had already put three coats of primer on both wings some time back and t he primer went on very smooth using the roll and tip. I had some issues wit h the primer drying a bit too fast and by the time I got through the bottom s ide of the wing it appeard to show some brush marks. The primer sanded down well though and the brush marks disappeared. Now this is where the trouble starts and insanity rules. After I primed the wings I started to SECOND GU ESS my decisions. I bought a second tank for my compressor, bought some HVL P spray guns, additional hose, filter, and decided to spray the color coats i nstead of using the roll and tip. Now I know and have known for many years t hat every single time I have Second Guessed myself the results have always b een BAD but once again, I did it. >> >> I took the week off last week to try and get something done on the plane. My plan was to get at least one wing fully painted and possibly a bit more accomplished too. Both wings were already primed so I took a day to sand a nd prep one wing. Next I needed to clean out the shop so that I had some ro om to move around without falling all over everything. With two wings, the w ing cart, flaps, ailerons, doors, rudder, elevators, and all of my tools cra mmed into the shop, something had to give. The first to give was the car in the garage. Moved most of the stuff into the garage. >> >> Then I bought a bunch of 3/4 inch PVC pipe, a lot of plastic sheeting, an d fabricated a makeshift paint booth inside the shop. It actually looked pr etty good when finished but took way too much time. Finally, I mopped, mopp ed, and mopped the floor until I got the sanding dust and dirt cleaned up. A fter letting the shop set overnight with the airconditioner running to let a ny remaining dust settle and filter out, I wet down the floor and prepared t he paint for spraying. I had already tested the spray guns for pattern and e verything looked OK as far as I could determine. I sprayed the first coat o f color with what seemed like a light coat but the coverage wasn't good and i t seemed spotty. The spray drops had not joined and there was no flow out. I figured the second coat would fill in the color but needed a touch more t hinning. The Second coat seemed to be going on much better with good covera ge and I moved down one side of the wing and then the other. The wing is ha nging from the ceiling and as I was painting everything looked good, no visi ble runs. After I finished the bottom side, I looked down the wing and it l ooked great. I disconnected the gun and went outside to clean the gun very s atisfied with the apparent result. >> >> Ten minutes or so later after cleaning the gun with water and air I went b ack into the shop. What I saw was enough to make this grown man cry. There were runs everywhere!!!!!!!! Both the Top and the Bottom of the wing had r uns and bald spots where the paint had simply slipped off the surface and do wn the wing. It was the WORST paint job ever. I am not sure if I put too m uch paint on, thinned it too much, or what but it was a total disaster. I k new the only thing I could do was let the paint dry, sand it down and either re-prime or try again. Now the one thing that the System Three paint is we ll know for is being a very tough finish and I am here to testify to that po int. If the crosslinker is added to the color coat it forms a very HARD, du rable, and chemical (gas) resistant finish. What that means to me is a fini sh of runs that are first cousin to trying to sand concrete. This paint is t ough and sanding it down took all day long with a power sander. I never did get all the paint off but did get it smooth again. Since that much sanding cut through some of the primer as well I had to reprime the wing with two a dditional primer coats. >> >> I was frustrated and angry with myself for second guessing what I decided to do and I payed the price. I tore down the paint booth plastic and PVC, c leaned everything up and spent the rest of the week priming all the other pa rts with three coats of primer. If I can get the color coats to go on as sm ooth as the primer the paint job will look great. The primer is so smooth ( NO RUNS) that I will only have to do a very light sanding before putting on t he color. I didn't get anything fully painted this week but all the removab le parts (Wings, doors, flaps, ailerons, elevators and rudder) have been pri med with three coats. Next weekend I will sand and touch-up any issues but w ill wait for the next weekend to start color again. This time, I will NOT S ECOND GUESS my decisions and I will not get in a rush. Three light color co ats using the roll and tip application on the first day. Sand and touch-up i f necessary with 600 grit wet paper and follow with two or three coats of Cl ear Gloss coating on the second day. The cross linked paint is best applied within 24 hours or full sanding is required. >> >> Finally, if necessary I will color sand, compound, and buff finish. It w ill take a lot more time, a lot more work sanding, sanding, sanding, and som e more sanding but I hope the results will be worth it. 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