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| Subject: | Re: KIS Cruiser Crating |
It was 5 years ago so I don't remember very well. I do remember it was a
tight fit but I think when they took the wings off it actually fit inside
the container. The made a frame that held the fuselage so it would not move
during transit. They also made a second frame that held the wings along the
side of the container.
However, my Cruiser is an original design fuselage and yours might be a
little wider, especially the horizontal stabilizer and tail portion.
Measure the width of the Horizontal Stabilizer and this will tell you if it
fits within the container. If so, then you will have to make the wood
frame hold the fuselage at an angle while inside the container. Either way
I would highly recommend a wood frame securing the fuselage and wings.
I hope this helps.
Galin
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Galin,
>
> I just saw a picture on your website where you show your Cruiser arriving
> at Pulsar factory in El Salvador in a container.
> Do you have pictures showing how it was placed and attached inside the
> container? Could you give me some details about this process?
> Best,
>
> Fabricio
>
> --------
> Fabricio Pereira
> Engineer / Pilot
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: KIS Cruiser Crating |
Hi Fabricio
I built a wooden frame that would fit through the doors of the container. It
was basically a rectangle of 6ft by 18ft on the floor and a "wall" 6 ft by
18 ft. I then crossed braced from the bottom to the top corners and bolted
the main spar to the frame. You can then slide the frame into the container.
The frame with the plane on is not heavy and you can easily secure the frame
to the container. You have to remove the landing gear.
I will look for a photo
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: KIS-List: KIS Cruiser Crating
>
> I'll be in US by the end of August to look at Ted Scott's KIS Cruiser. If
> I confirm the purchase, I'll need to crate it inside a Container to ship
> it to Brazil.
> I was looking at the spar and horizontal tail dimensions and found that it
> is not possible to put the aircraft in a container on it's wheels. I'll
> probably have to remove the main and nose landing gears and attach the
> fuselage with the spars tips at the container corners (45 degrees). The
> wings will probably be attatched to the container side walls.
> Have anybody done that with a KIS Cruiser? Any better idea?
> Thanks,
>
> Fabricio
>
> --------
> Fabricio Pereira
> Engineer / Pilot
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406568#406568
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Air Scoop and my wife... |
Bob,
I know how you feel, also got the wake-up call that there are not too
many years left. I wasted too much time trying to do do it perfectly and
have now decided not to correct any issues that can wait. You have
plenty of winters ahead of you to correct whatever you are not happy
with.
Mike
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From: Robert Reed
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Cowling Air Scoop and my wife...
Jesse,
For the mold formation I am using 80 grit to scuff the micro mix after
cure before applying more or applying the layups. I am shaping using
several different Perma-Grit tools. It works great for free form
molding if you don't mind getting covered in foam and dust in 100 degree
heat. The problem with the last coating of micro-epoxy was probably a
result of too dry a mixture combined with the heat. I had some problems
with the first application sagging so I probably over compensated a
little.
Thanks,
BOB
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To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Cowling Air Scoop and my wife...
Bob,
Are you scuffing up the part you are working with. Go over it with
about 100 grit. Cool down the epoxy more than to room tempt so it will
cool down the part some as well. Be sure not to reuse any vessel you
put ice and epoxy cans in, for cooking or eating. Their contaminated.
(Just a reminder) Good luck
Jesse
Jesse,
Thanks, I will give it a try this coming weekend. I have real
concerns about doing the layups with the setup time being so short and
that might just give the added time I need. Part of the problem is that
even the parts are HOT and it becomes difficult to get the epoxy to
stick and stay.
BOB
From: "Flyinisfun@aol.com" <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Cowling Air Scoop and my wife...
Bob, I had the same problem with epoxy and heat until I got a small
pan large enough and deep enough to handle about three large glasses of
ice. Put the cans of resin and hardener in the ice, probably pour in a
little water to get things going. Cool down the epoxy before mixing,
then mix. Have another container the size of the mixed batch and put
the cup or whatever into it. Keep the batch in the ice and mix it up
there and use out of it as you need it. It will not flash off on you.
You can get ice at McDonalds or your favorite fast foods place. You
won't need all that much ice to do the trick.
Jesse Wright
In a message dated 8/11/2013 8:13:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
robertr237@att.net writes:
Saturday was another hotter than hell day of work on the plane. I
spent the morning shaping the foam down to exactly what I had planned
and I thought it looked pretty good. I then mixed up the micro-epoxy and
started the fill in of the foam and the smoothing out of the form to the
cowling. The fill in worked well for the first 15 or 20 minutes and then
the heat (101 degrees) got to the epoxy and it started setting up in the
cup. I managed to just barely finish what had to be done but had about
1/4 of the mix harden in the cup.
The first photo in each of the groupings was taken following the
Saturday session.
I showed the photos to my wife that evening and she looked at all
of the photos for several minutes, made a non-approving sound, and
handed the iPhone back to me. Now after over 38 years of marriage I have
learned to read her fairly well and when she doesn't like something I
have done she never comes right out and says it "SUCKS" but I get the
message just the same. Her response was one of those "well if you
insist" it is ok but I would do it over. Truth was that while the
results were exactly what I had planned, they were a disappointment to
me as well. My wife just reflected back to me what she knew I was
feeling.
Sunday morning, early Sunday morning, 4:30 am on Sunday morning, I
am awake working on the plane in my mind as I usually do when I am
trying to work out problems. I can see every part and mentally I try
everything from tear it all out and start over to leave it as is and
hope that when finished it will look ok. I have read several articles
regarding the efficiency of the air inlets. One of the things I
remembered was regarding the shape of the inside of the inlet and that
the efficiency was improved by a rolled and expanding inlet. The major
issue I saw with my initial try was the opening just looked too
oversized and needed to be toned down. The whole thing just looked too
bulky and out of proportion.
I didn=99t want to start over. I am at the point now where
unless it is an issue of flight worthiness I am going to move on and NOT
tear anything else down to start over. I want to get it flying! So the
outcome of my 5am design session was to try and add some foam to the
inside of the opening and trim down the outside to minimize the opening
by a couple of inches. I bonded in a couple of foam inserts to the
inside of the original opening and then shaped them to form a very
rounded transition to the inside of the scoop. I then cut down the
outside of the scoop around the opening and rolled it back into the
original shape. Mixed another batch of epoxy-micro and filled
everything in with the same problem as Saturday, almost 1/2 the batch
setup before I could apply it. Can't understand, I was only 99 today.
The second photo in each pair is the resulting design. They are
still somewhat rough with only the epoxy-micro applied and not smoothed
out yet. I am much happier with the result and after showing the
resulting photos to my wife I think I might be on fairly good ground.
She liked it. The opening is almost 2 inches smaller in width and =C2=BD
inch in height. The outside shape is more rounded and aerodynamic. The
changes aren=99t dramatic but when viewed from all angles I think
it looks better.
I am thinking about shaping a small bit of a fish mouth into it
when viewed from the side but not sure how it will look. Any comments?
Bob Reed
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| Subject: | Re: KIS Cruiser Crating |
Hello Fabricio,
I am the brother of Richard Trickel, the designer and manufacture of KIS aircraft.
Congratulations on your purchase of Teds Scotts TR-4 (that is should you go
through with the deal). Although I have no experience shipping in a container
I did recently move my TR-1C 1200 miles across the USA. I took me a few months
to plan the move and a solid month to prepare the rigging to mount to airplane
onto a trailer. My brother had vast amount of container shipping experience,
he shipped airplanes all over the world. Most of them were in kit form but
a few were completed airplanes. In 2006 (I think) He shipped two TR-4s to the
big Oshkosh airshow located in the Northern middle of the USA from Pulsars shops
in El Salvador. You are correct, the only way to fit a TR-4 in a container
is mounting it on a frame to hold it at a 45 degree angle with a slight nose up
attitude. Attached is a picture I found on the web of the airplane in the frame.
Sorry the resolution of the picture is bad but it shows the frame style you
will need to fabricate. It is hard to see much detail but the main landing
gear has been removed to fit it into the container. When this airplane was returned
to El Salvador somewhere along the way the container was dropped. There
were many areas on the wings and fuselage where to cores of the laminated composite
skins were crushed and needed extensive repairs. The prop hub was hit so
hard they treated it like a prop strike, and they pulled the engine off the airplane
for repairs. So I caution you to take extra care and add a lot of padding
around all the components, and make sure that everything will remain stationary.
There is one other TR-4 (from Pulsar) in Bauru, Brazil. This airplane should be
flying by now. There is also a KIS TR-1 somewhere in Brazil but I am not sure
where it is.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Good Luck,
Mark Trickel
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| Subject: | Re: KIS Cruiser Crating |
Fabricio,=0A-=0AI have read several of the replies and your comments as w
ell.- =0A-=0AI agree totally that the gear should be removed but I also
would suggest that you make sure the engine is also removed and packed sep
arately.- (Yeah, I know you already thought of that but I will not make a
ny assumptions.)--I don't see much alternative to loading the fuselage
on a 45degree angle inside a frame.- I would both strap the plane to the
frame and pad it as well.- The fuselage will be essentially floating with
in the framework.- Removing the engine and landing gear removes much of t
he weight mass.- The wings are big and bulky but easily padded and secure
d.- =0A-=0AI have moved my plane twice, once from Houston to Dallas (27
5 miles) and from one side of Dallas to the other (50 miles).- Both were
gut wrenching experiences.- Even though I had tied down, strapped down, a
nd done everything to secure the plane in both cases the length of the trip
combined with wind, vibration, bouncing around,-road hazards including s
ome very stupid drivers who nearly collided with the trailer-looking-at
it, and in one case a broken hitch made for near disasters.- For that re
ason I can't emphasize enough the importance of both padding and tightly st
rapping-everything down with backup to the backup.- Expect that the con
tainer, trailer, whatever is going to get some very rough handling along th
e way.- Everything that can be taken off and packed separately and secure
ly should be.- Finally, nothing should be able to move about separately w
ithin the container.- =0A-=0AGOOD LUCK and welcome to the kisbuilders.
=0A-=0ABob Reed =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: fasilpere
ira <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday
, August 12, 2013 9:35 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: KIS Cruiser Crating=0A =0A
>=0A=0AI'll be in US by the end of August to look at Ted Scott's KIS Cruise
r. If I confirm the purchase, I'll need to crate it inside a Container to s
hip it to Brazil.=0AI was looking at the spar and horizontal tail dimension
s and found that it is not possible to put the aircraft in a container on i
t's wheels. I'll probably have to remove the main and nose landing gears an
d attach the fuselage with the spars tips at the container corners (45 degr
ees). The wings will probably be attatched to the container side walls.=0AH
ave anybody done that with a KIS Cruiser? Any better idea?=0AThanks,=0A=0AF
abricio=0A=0A--------=0AFabricio Pereira=0AEngineer / Pilot=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AR
ead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
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