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Sun 09/22/13


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 08:16 AM - Flight Hours Since New? (Galin Hernandez)
     2. 09:02 AM - Re: Flight Hours Since New? (Alfred Rosa)
     3. 09:43 AM - Re: Flight Hours Since New? (Robert Reed)
     4. 10:32 AM - Re: Flight Hours Since New? (Scott Stearns)
     5. 02:33 PM - Horizontal Tail Span (fasilpereira)
     6. 02:37 PM - Re: KIS Cruiser Crating (fasilpereira)
     7. 04:25 PM - Closing the fuselage (Mike Pienaar)
     8. 06:15 PM - Re: Closing the fuselage (Robert Reed)
     9. 06:23 PM - Re: Horizontal Tail Span (Mark Kettering)
    10. 06:46 PM - Re: Horizontal Tail Span (Scott Stearns)
    11. 09:15 PM - Re: Closing the fuselage (Mike Pienaar)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:16:30 AM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: Flight Hours Since New?
    As I approach the 1,000hr point on my KIS4, I was wondering who else has 1,000 or more flight hours on their KIS airplane? AND this begs the question, who has the most flight hours on their KIS1 or KIS4? Inquiring minds want to know. Galin 947Hrs and counting.


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    Time: 09:02:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flight Hours Since New?
    From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com>
    I can tell you who has the least. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: > As I approach the 1,000hr point on my KIS4, I was wondering who else has 1 ,000 or more flight hours on their KIS airplane? AND this begs the question, who has the most flight hours on their KIS1 or KIS4? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > > Galin > 947Hrs and counting. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 09:43:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flight Hours Since New?
    From: Robert Reed <RobertR237@att.net>
    There is a tie for category Al but I am working my arms off trying to break t he tie. Literally working my arms off, sanding, sanding, and more sanding. Bob Reed Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > > I can tell you who has the least. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I approach the 1,000hr point on my KIS4, I was wondering who else has 1 ,000 or more flight hours on their KIS airplane? AND this begs the question, who has the most flight hours on their KIS1 or KIS4? >> >> Inquiring minds want to know. >> >> Galin >> 947Hrs and counting. > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 10:32:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flight Hours Since New?
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    I was kind of impressed with my Tr-1 pushing 200 hours. 1000 hours must be t he highest time. I dont think the factory airplanes even approached 1000 ho urs. Scott On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: > As I approach the 1,000hr point on my KIS4, I was wondering who else has 1 ,000 or more flight hours on their KIS airplane? AND this begs the question, who has the most flight hours on their KIS1 or KIS4? > > Inquiring minds want to know. > > Galin > 947Hrs and counting. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 02:33:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Horizontal Tail Span
    From: "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>
    I've just noticed that the Kit that I've bought from Ted has the old horizontal tail, with span of 8ft 9in. Does anybody knows what has drived the increase on the horizontal tail? For those that have flown both version (if there is anybody that had the opportunity), does it makes any difference? I'm thinking if it is worth to increase my aircraft tail span, since I'm still on the initial building process.... Thanks, Fabricio -------- Fabricio Pereira Engineer / Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409005#409005


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    Time: 02:37:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating
    From: "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira@hotmail.com>
    Bob, I hope too... The Container arrived on the port of Santos on September 19th. It will probably arrive here in one or maybe two weeks. Fabricio -------- Fabricio Pereira Engineer / Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409006#409006


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    Time: 04:25:23 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Closing the fuselage
    Hi Bob I see in the foto's of your exhaust that you have closed the fuselage. How far have you progressed on the interior? I am holding off closing the fusealge till I have done as much as possible on the interior and I'm busy with the wiring now, would hate to have done it with the fuselage closed but not closing the fuselage delays other items. Always a difficult compromise Good luck Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:09 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Trial Fit of 4 into 1 Exhaust Mark, A very nice looking Cruiser and it looks like I won't be the next one flying after all. Oh well, progress is progress and I am inching along. Bob Reed From: mark_trickel <marktrickel@gmail.com> To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Trial Fit of 4 into 1 Exhaust Wow, that sure does look pretty. One more step to completion checked off the list. Here=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little inspiration I found last week: http://eaa104.org/documents/NL0913.pdf Check page 6 of this chapter newsletter. I had this one as flying but it is not. Apparently in the eyes of some States if it is registered at the FAA it is flyable, and they are entitled to sales tax, and yearly registration fees (unlike the project car I have). In the paper work for my airplane is a stack of yearly Minnesota registration receipts. In 18 years the thing never left the hanger. Looks like Ed Hanson will be flying by years end. Mark T. Read this topic online here: nbsp; ===============


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    Time: 06:15:52 PM PST US
    From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Closing the fuselage
    Mike,=0A=C2-=0AThis is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations.=C2- Most of my interior is in the final, awaiting installati on stage with the key exception of the electrical systems.=C2- I had been planning to do all the electrical possible before closing out the top but decided I would be better off to concentrate on completing ALL the glass an d epoxy work during the summer and fall while I had warm weather.=C2- Pri mary reason being that I wanted to be ready to prime and paint as soon as c ool wet weather allows it.=C2- A second reason being there is no way I wa nt to be working inside the fuselage when it is 90 to 100 degrees.=C2- I can work the electrical in cool weather a lot easier than hot.=0A=C2-=0AI have installed hard mounting points for most of the interior plumbing and electrical.=C2- The brake lines are all in as well.=C2- I will be mount ing the two batteries (Oddessy PC680) on either side of the center console with the master, starter, and crossover relays in the same area under the f ront seats.=C2- The voltage regulators will also be in the same area.=C2 - It makes use of a dead area that can't really=C2-be used for anything else since I am using adjustable seats and rails.=C2- =0A=C2-=0AOh, I have also done paper patterns for all of the upholstry and the seats have a ll been done.=0A=C2-=0ABob=C2- =0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:25 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Closing the f uselage=0A =0A=0A=0A=EF=BB =0AHi Bob =0A=C2- =0AI see in the foto's of your exhaust that you have =0Aclosed the fuselage. How far have you prog ressed on the interior? =0A=C2- =0AI am holding off closing the fusealge till I have =0Adone as much as possible on the interior and I'm busy with t he wiring =0Anow, =0Awould hate to have done it with the fuselage closed =0Abut not closing the fuselage delays other items. Always a difficult =0Ac ompromise =0A=C2- =0AGood luck =0A=C2- =0AMike =0A----- Original Messag e ----- =0A>From: Robert Reed =0A>To: kis-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: T uesday, September 17, 2013 8:09 AM =0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Trial Fi t of 4 into 1 Exhaust =0A>=0A> =0A>Mark, =0A>=C2- =0A>A very nice lookin g Cruiser and it looks like I won't be the next one flying after all.=C2 - =0A>=C2- =0A>Oh well, progress is progress and I am inching along. =0A>=C2- =0A>Bob Reed =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________ =0A>From: mark_trickel <marktrickel@gmail.com>=0A>To: kis-list@matronics.c om =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:27 AM=0A>Subject: KIS-List: Re: =0A "mark_trickel" <marktrickel@gmail.com>=0A>=0A>Wow, =0A that sure doe s look pretty. One more step to completion checked off the list. =0A Here =C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little inspiration I found last =0A week:=0A> =0A>http://eaa104.org/documents/NL0913.pdf=0A>=0A>Check page 6 of =0A this chapter newsletter. I had this one as flying but it is not. Apparently in =0A the eyes of some States if it is registered at the FAA it is flyable, and they =0A are entitled to sales tax, and yearly registration fees (unli ke the project =0A car I have). In the paper work for my airplane is a sta ck of yearly Minnesota =0A registration receipts. In 18 years the thing ne ver left the hanger. Looks like =0A Ed Hanson will be flying by years end. =0A>=0A>Mark T.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read =0A this topic online =0A here: =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408727#408727 =0A>=0A >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.co m">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribut =========================0A =======================


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    Time: 06:23:58 PM PST US
    From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Horizontal Tail Span
    Hello Fabricio, I think all of the TR-4's have a 8'9" span horizontal tail. What some people do and I highly recommend is increasing the cord on the elevator. This is critical on the TR-1 and important on the TR-4. Mark -----Original Message----- >From: fasilpereira <fasilpereira@hotmail.com> >Sent: Sep 22, 2013 5:33 PM >To: kis-list@matronics.com >Subject: KIS-List: Horizontal Tail Span > > >I've just noticed that the Kit that I've bought from Ted has the old horizontal tail, with span of 8ft 9in. >Does anybody knows what has drived the increase on the horizontal tail? >For those that have flown both version (if there is anybody that had the opportunity), does it makes any difference? >I'm thinking if it is worth to increase my aircraft tail span, since I'm still on the initial building process.... >Thanks, > >Fabricio > >-------- >Fabricio Pereira >Engineer / Pilot > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409005#409005 > >


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    Time: 06:46:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Horizontal Tail Span
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    There were two sizes of horizontal tail? I never heard that there was two sizes of tail. Maybe you are thinking of the elevator extension on the two seat KIS? Scott On Sep 22, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I've just noticed that the Kit that I've bought from Ted has the old horizontal tail, with span of 8ft 9in. > Does anybody knows what has drived the increase on the horizontal tail? > For those that have flown both version (if there is anybody that had the opportunity), does it makes any difference? > I'm thinking if it is worth to increase my aircraft tail span, since I'm still on the initial building process.... > Thanks, > > Fabricio > > -------- > Fabricio Pereira > Engineer / Pilot > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409005#409005 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:15:49 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Closing the fuselage
    Bob, Thanks for your input, I have exactly the opposite problem to you, I wanted to get the painting done before the wet and cold set in but I also wanted to finish the inside of the fuselage as much as possible. Achieved neither during summer. Will post foto's of my progress soon. Keep well Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Closing the fuselage Mike, This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. Most of my interior is in the final, awaiting installation stage with the key exception of the electrical systems. I had been planning to do all the electrical possible before closing out the top but decided I would be better off to concentrate on completing ALL the glass and epoxy work during the summer and fall while I had warm weather. Primary reason being that I wanted to be ready to prime and paint as soon as cool wet weather allows it. A second reason being there is no way I want to be working inside the fuselage when it is 90 to 100 degrees. I can work the electrical in cool weather a lot easier than hot. I have installed hard mounting points for most of the interior plumbing and electrical. The brake lines are all in as well. I will be mounting the two batteries (Oddessy PC680) on either side of the center console with the master, starter, and crossover relays in the same area under the front seats. The voltage regulators will also be in the same area. It makes use of a dead area that can't really be used for anything else since I am using adjustable seats and rails. Oh, I have also done paper patterns for all of the upholstry and the seats have all been done. Bob From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca> To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: KIS-List: Closing the fuselage =EF=BB Hi Bob I see in the foto's of your exhaust that you have closed the fuselage. How far have you progressed on the interior? I am holding off closing the fusealge till I have done as much as possible on the interior and I'm busy with the wiring now, would hate to have done it with the fuselage closed but not closing the fuselage delays other items. Always a difficult compromise Good luck Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:09 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Trial Fit of 4 into 1 Exhaust Mark, A very nice looking Cruiser and it looks like I won't be the next one flying after all. Oh well, progress is progress and I am inching along. Bob Reed From: mark_trickel <marktrickel@gmail.com> To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Trial Fit of 4 into 1 Exhaust <marktrickel@gmail.com> Wow, that sure does look pretty. One more step to completion checked off the list. Here=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little inspiration I found last week: http://eaa104.org/documents/NL0913.pdf Check page 6 of this chapter newsletter. I had this one as flying but it is not. Apparently in the eyes of some States if it is registered at the FAA it is flyable, and they are entitled to sales tax, and yearly registration fees (unlike the project car I have). In the paper work for my airplane is a stack of yearly Minnesota registration receipts. In 18 years the thing never left the hanger. Looks like Ed Hanson will be flying by years end. Mark T. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408727#408727 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/================




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