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1. 08:24 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (mark_trickel)
2. 08:32 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH)
3. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Owen Baker)
4. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Conners, Jerry L)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Conners, Jerry L)
7. 09:52 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH)
8. 06:44 PM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (mark_trickel)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Hello Barry,
Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the fraternity. Without a question
you got the best bang for your buck despite any problems you may encounter.
On this forum are plenty of qualified individuals that can help you with any
need.
You might want to be packing a Sawzall just in case the main spar bolts are seized
in place. There should be just enough room to get the blade between the spar
and the fuselage spar box. The penalty would be the loss of the aluminum flanged
bushings in the spar box (the bushing on the nut side should be removable
if not gluded in place), but those parts should be available from Lyle Hendricks.
Youll need to disconnect the aileron push tubes from the bell cranks to
side the tubes out of the fuselage. This past spring I moved my TR-1C 1200 miles
from Minnesota to Philadelphia, PA, I did not realize the push tubes were disconnected
as the wing was off when I arrived to pick up the airplane. I checked
the airplane at each fuel stop but on the last run over the PA mountains one
push tube slid out and I almost lost it but it got wedged in place by one of
the wing supports. I used the spar bolts as the main attach point along with
the wheel axles and the tail wheel to hold it on the trailer. My advices is dont
buy that cheap duct tape from Harbor Freight it sucks.
Robert Reeds website has a complete TR-1 builders manual if you do not have one. http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/
Good Luck,
Mark T. Pic attached of my arrival at home
PS: There is also a new owner of Ed Foresters TR-1 that was in Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Very cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, i packed a sawzall with me just in case. We
are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville. Lond haul. But i look forward
to getting it here and starting my refurbish of the plane. Definatly looks
like there is some good advice to be had here on this forum. Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
10/30/2013
Hello Barry, You wrote:
1) "We are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville."
Wow! I am really impressed with your ambition. Who built the plane and who
did you buy it from? Engine and any other particulars?
2) "Definatly looks like there is some good advice to be had here on this
forum."
Absolutely true and not just in the current postings, but in years of past
postings buried (but accessible) in the archives. We can help you find some
nuggets in there.
OC
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From: BarryH
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1
Very cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, i packed a sawzall with me just in
case. We are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville. Lond haul. But i
look forward to getting it here and starting my refurbish of the plane.
Definatly looks like there is some good advice to be had here on this forum.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Barry:
The fiberglass cover plates are 'glued' inplace and several of the screws that
originally held the cover plates in place are stripped and the incorrect size...therefore
removal of the cover plates will require some effort and a variety
of tools to free the plates without damaging the attachment location.
Jer
N94K owner/pilot 2001-2012(?)
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From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1
Hello Barry,
Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the fraternity. Without a question
you got the best bang for your buck despite any problems you may encounter.
On this forum are plenty of qualified individuals that can help you with any
need.
You might want to be packing a Sawzall just in case the main spar bolts are seized
in place. There should be just enough room to get the blade between the spar
and the fuselage spar box. The penalty would be the loss of the aluminum flanged
bushings in the spar box (the bushing on the nut side should be removable
if not gluded in place), but those parts should be available from Lyle Hendricks.
Youll need to disconnect the aileron push tubes from the bell cranks to
side the tubes out of the fuselage. This past spring I moved my TR-1C 1200 miles
from Minnesota to Philadelphia, PA, I did not realize the push tubes were disconnected
as the wing was off when I arrived to pick up the airplane. I checked
the airplane at each fuel stop but on the last run over the PA mountains one
push tube slid out and I almost lost it but it got wedged in place by one of
the wing supports. I used the spar bolts as the main attach point along with
the wheel axles and the tail wheel to hold it on!
the trailer. My advices is dont buy that cheap duct tape from Harbor Freight
it sucks.
Robert Reeds website has a complete TR-1 builders manual if you do not have one. http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/
Good Luck,
Mark T. Pic attached of my arrival at home
PS: There is also a new owner of Ed Foresters TR-1 that was in Florida
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411755#411755
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/mccormick_kis_tr_1c_178.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Thanks for the info Jerry. Hopefully the main spar bolts are ok.
This plane was built by Kindig. N94K. #095. Has a 0-235 in it. Considering putting
a 0-320 on it. Owned by Jerry Conners for quite some time there in Nevada.
Needs some TLC, but looks to be a plane that can be really nice once it is refurbished.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Barry:
When you get the construction manuals and other documents that I gave to Darren,
then you will have a more accurate record of who the builders and owners were...although
R Kindig was the 51% designated builder, much of the original kit
assembly was performed by someone earlier.
Jer
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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:18 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1
Thanks for the info Jerry. Hopefully the main spar bolts are ok.
This plane was built by Kindig. N94K. #095. Has a 0-235 in it. Considering putting
a 0-320 on it. Owned by Jerry Conners for quite some time there in Nevada.
Needs some TLC, but looks to be a plane that can be really nice once it is refurbished.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Yes, I have all the documents. He bought the fuselage from a guy, and then bought
the wings from the manufacturer. I saw where the fuselage was partially built
when he purchased it from Brett Nicolette.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 |
Hey Barry,
Jerry is referring to the 6 X 6 access panels on the outboard underside of each
wing located over the aileron bell crank. The left wing should also have the
pilot static ports attached to it. These panels are cut into the wing skins by
the builder and have 4 screws in the corners of each panel. There were supposed
to be nut plates attached to the inner fiberglass layer of the laminated wing
skin in each corner to secure the panel to the wing. Not all builders used
nut plates, my build used plain sheet metal screws and they just do not hold up.
I believe Jerry is saying the panel may be glued in place. You may want to
pack two more tools a Dremel with those little gridding discs and possibly a
few other cutting attachments, and if that dont work a jig saw to cut out the
whole panel. Heck, its fiberglass and easy to patch up or fabricate a new one,
but dont cut to close to the corners where the nut plates are supposed to be
just in case they may actually be there. You wont want to be wasting too much
time getting the cover panels off youll have you hands full getting the wing off
and the plane loaded. It took me 4 hours to set up my trailer rigging and get
the plane loaded and that was 2 hours more than I thought it would take.
There are other fairings on the bottom side of the fuselage you will need to remove.
One covering the spar box opening. Two small removable leading edge fairings
on underside of the wing. Two larger fairings that contour the wing to the
fuselage. These should all have nut plates used to attach them but may also
have sheet metal screws in place. If they are nut plate and corrosion has set
in getting those screws out can be difficult. If the heads become stripped out
the Dremel and thin griding disc deal is great to cut larger slots in the head
for easier removal.
Richard Kindig did come to Oshkosh, maybe even more than once. I recall he was
at one of the KIS get together dinners. It is hard for me to remember everything
that happened but I do recall Richard K. telling us he liked building airplanes
and was in the habit of buying derelict or unfinished projects and finishing
them off, then enjoying them for a while, and then he'd sell them and move
on to another project. Before he bought the KIS he previously finished off a
Glasair. There are several post in the KIS archives by Richard K. He was unmarried
and so he had plenty of time for airplane building. I am sure there were
other airplane projects after his KIS. I think he did finally settle down and
get married. He is now living in one of the Virginia States, though I am not sure
which one.
Mark T.
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