---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/30/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:24 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (mark_trickel) 2. 08:32 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH) 3. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Owen Baker) 4. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Conners, Jerry L) 5. 09:18 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH) 6. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (Conners, Jerry L) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (BarryH) 8. 06:44 PM - Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 (mark_trickel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:51 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 From: "mark_trickel" Hello Barry, Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the fraternity. Without a question you got the best bang for your buck despite any problems you may encounter. On this forum are plenty of qualified individuals that can help you with any need. You might want to be packing a Sawzall just in case the main spar bolts are seized in place. There should be just enough room to get the blade between the spar and the fuselage spar box. The penalty would be the loss of the aluminum flanged bushings in the spar box (the bushing on the nut side should be removable if not gluded in place), but those parts should be available from Lyle Hendricks. Youll need to disconnect the aileron push tubes from the bell cranks to side the tubes out of the fuselage. This past spring I moved my TR-1C 1200 miles from Minnesota to Philadelphia, PA, I did not realize the push tubes were disconnected as the wing was off when I arrived to pick up the airplane. I checked the airplane at each fuel stop but on the last run over the PA mountains one push tube slid out and I almost lost it but it got wedged in place by one of the wing supports. I used the spar bolts as the main attach point along with the wheel axles and the tail wheel to hold it on the trailer. My advices is dont buy that cheap duct tape from Harbor Freight it sucks. Robert Reeds website has a complete TR-1 builders manual if you do not have one. http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/ Good Luck, Mark T. Pic attached of my arrival at home PS: There is also a new owner of Ed Foresters TR-1 that was in Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411755#411755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mccormick_kis_tr_1c_178.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:11 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 From: "BarryH" Very cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, i packed a sawzall with me just in case. We are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville. Lond haul. But i look forward to getting it here and starting my refurbish of the plane. Definatly looks like there is some good advice to be had here on this forum. Barry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411756#411756 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:43 AM PST US From: "Owen Baker " Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 10/30/2013 Hello Barry, You wrote: 1) "We are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville." Wow! I am really impressed with your ambition. Who built the plane and who did you buy it from? Engine and any other particulars? 2) "Definatly looks like there is some good advice to be had here on this forum." Absolutely true and not just in the current postings, but in years of past postings buried (but accessible) in the archives. We can help you find some nuggets in there. OC ============================================================================== From: BarryH Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 Very cool. Thanks for the info. Yes, i packed a sawzall with me just in case. We are moving it 2500 miles from Reno to Knoxville. Lond haul. But i look forward to getting it here and starting my refurbish of the plane. Definatly looks like there is some good advice to be had here on this forum. Barry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:00 AM PST US From: "Conners, Jerry L" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 Barry: The fiberglass cover plates are 'glued' inplace and several of the screws that originally held the cover plates in place are stripped and the incorrect size...therefore removal of the cover plates will require some effort and a variety of tools to free the plates without damaging the attachment location. Jer N94K owner/pilot 2001-2012(?) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark_trickel Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 Hello Barry, Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the fraternity. Without a question you got the best bang for your buck despite any problems you may encounter. On this forum are plenty of qualified individuals that can help you with any need. You might want to be packing a Sawzall just in case the main spar bolts are seized in place. There should be just enough room to get the blade between the spar and the fuselage spar box. The penalty would be the loss of the aluminum flanged bushings in the spar box (the bushing on the nut side should be removable if not gluded in place), but those parts should be available from Lyle Hendricks. Youll need to disconnect the aileron push tubes from the bell cranks to side the tubes out of the fuselage. This past spring I moved my TR-1C 1200 miles from Minnesota to Philadelphia, PA, I did not realize the push tubes were disconnected as the wing was off when I arrived to pick up the airplane. I checked the airplane at each fuel stop but on the last run over the PA mountains one push tube slid out and I almost lost it but it got wedged in place by one of the wing supports. I used the spar bolts as the main attach point along with the wheel axles and the tail wheel to hold it on! the trailer. My advices is dont buy that cheap duct tape from Harbor Freight it sucks. Robert Reeds website has a complete TR-1 builders manual if you do not have one. http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/ Good Luck, Mark T. Pic attached of my arrival at home PS: There is also a new owner of Ed Foresters TR-1 that was in Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411755#411755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mccormick_kis_tr_1c_178.jpg This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:20 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 From: "BarryH" Thanks for the info Jerry. Hopefully the main spar bolts are ok. This plane was built by Kindig. N94K. #095. Has a 0-235 in it. Considering putting a 0-320 on it. Owned by Jerry Conners for quite some time there in Nevada. Needs some TLC, but looks to be a plane that can be really nice once it is refurbished. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411760#411760 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:17 AM PST US From: "Conners, Jerry L" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 Barry: When you get the construction manuals and other documents that I gave to Darren, then you will have a more accurate record of who the builders and owners were...although R Kindig was the 51% designated builder, much of the original kit assembly was performed by someone earlier. Jer -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BarryH Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 Thanks for the info Jerry. Hopefully the main spar bolts are ok. This plane was built by Kindig. N94K. #095. Has a 0-235 in it. Considering putting a 0-320 on it. Owned by Jerry Conners for quite some time there in Nevada. Needs some TLC, but looks to be a plane that can be really nice once it is refurbished. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411760#411760 This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original message. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:13 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 From: "BarryH" Yes, I have all the documents. He bought the fuselage from a guy, and then bought the wings from the manufacturer. I saw where the fuselage was partially built when he purchased it from Brett Nicolette. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=411762#411762 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:08 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wing removal on a TR-1 From: "mark_trickel" Hey Barry, Jerry is referring to the 6 X 6 access panels on the outboard underside of each wing located over the aileron bell crank. The left wing should also have the pilot static ports attached to it. These panels are cut into the wing skins by the builder and have 4 screws in the corners of each panel. There were supposed to be nut plates attached to the inner fiberglass layer of the laminated wing skin in each corner to secure the panel to the wing. Not all builders used nut plates, my build used plain sheet metal screws and they just do not hold up. I believe Jerry is saying the panel may be glued in place. You may want to pack two more tools a Dremel with those little gridding discs and possibly a few other cutting attachments, and if that dont work a jig saw to cut out the whole panel. Heck, its fiberglass and easy to patch up or fabricate a new one, but dont cut to close to the corners where the nut plates are supposed to be just in case they may actually be there. You wont want to be wasting too much time getting the cover panels off youll have you hands full getting the wing off and the plane loaded. It took me 4 hours to set up my trailer rigging and get the plane loaded and that was 2 hours more than I thought it would take. There are other fairings on the bottom side of the fuselage you will need to remove. One covering the spar box opening. Two small removable leading edge fairings on underside of the wing. Two larger fairings that contour the wing to the fuselage. These should all have nut plates used to attach them but may also have sheet metal screws in place. If they are nut plate and corrosion has set in getting those screws out can be difficult. If the heads become stripped out the Dremel and thin griding disc deal is great to cut larger slots in the head for easier removal. Richard Kindig did come to Oshkosh, maybe even more than once. I recall he was at one of the KIS get together dinners. It is hard for me to remember everything that happened but I do recall Richard K. telling us he liked building airplanes and was in the habit of buying derelict or unfinished projects and finishing them off, then enjoying them for a while, and then he'd sell them and move on to another project. Before he bought the KIS he previously finished off a Glasair. There are several post in the KIS archives by Richard K. He was unmarried and so he had plenty of time for airplane building. I am sure there were other airplane projects after his KIS. I think he did finally settle down and get married. He is now living in one of the Virginia States, though I am not sure which one. Mark T. 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