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1. 07:31 AM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Galin Hernandez)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Mark Kettering)
3. 08:39 AM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Alfred Rosa)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Robert Reed)
5. 09:36 AM - Re: TR4 cowling. (jerzy krasinski)
6. 03:28 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Mark Kettering)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Mark Kettering)
8. 03:42 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (jerzy krasinski)
9. 03:59 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Scott Stearns)
10. 04:03 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Mark Kettering)
11. 04:08 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Scott Stearns)
12. 04:08 PM - Re: TR4 cowling. (Robert Reed)
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
I am in St Augustine and I have a Lycoming O-360 in my airplane. Maybe we
can get together and make a mold out of my cowl.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Hi Al,
Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder
cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure what one we
will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6 to 12 months
away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, CA.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Rosa
Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
Al, where are you located?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale? Desperate for a cowling.
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Actually the time frame and location would be ideal. I may be trading my
incomplete TR4 for a flying TR1. The party
SIDDARTHA BRAVO
is in CA and he was concerned that finding a cowling might be impossible.
At least now I can assure him that getting one is possible.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a
> Continental 6 cylinder cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know
> for sure what one we will be using until we get an engine and do a trial
> fit. This is 6 to 12 months away. What is your time frame? FYI, these
> cowls are Camarillo, CA.
>
> Mark
>
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> From: Alfred Rosa
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> Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
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> To: "kis-list@matronics.com"
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> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
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> Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
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> On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Al, where are you located?
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Considering the fact that obtaining parts in the future may be entirely upt
o the current builders / flyers it would be great if we could get some mold
s made off of those parts before you start any modifications and trimming.
- This would be true for the wing tips as well.- Those are probably the
most vulnerable parts that would ever need replacement.- Would that be a
possibility?=0A-=0ABob Reed=0A=0AFrom: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink
.net>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 A
M=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.=0A=0A=0A--> KIS-List message posted
by: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>=0A=0AHi Al,=0A=0AScott and I ha
ve both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder co
wl in fiberglass.- The problem is we do not know for sure what one we wil
l be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit.- This is 6 to 12 mo
nths away.- What is your time frame?- FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, C
A.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0AFrom: Alfred Rosa =0A=0AS
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Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.=0A=0A=0A=0ANear the Venice FL municipal airport.
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Mark,=0A=0AI wonder what happened with your carbon KIS Cruiser . Have you m
anaged to put that plane together?=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A_____________________
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AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.=0A =0A=0A=0AConsidering the fact t
hat obtaining parts in the future may be entirely upto the current builders
/ flyers it would be great if we could get some molds made off of those pa
rts before you start any modifications and trimming.- This would be true
for the wing tips as well.- Those are probably the most vulnerable parts
that would ever need replacement.- Would that be a possibility?=0A-=0AB
ob Reed=0A=0AFrom: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>=0ATo: kis-list@ma
tronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-Li
ntafs@earthlink.net>=0A=0AHi Al,=0A=0AScott and I have both a Lycoming 360
cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder cowl in fiberglass.- Th
e problem is we do not know for sure what one we will be using until we get
an engine and do a trial fit.- This is 6 to 12 months away.- What is y
our time frame?- FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, CA.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A-----
Original Message-----=0A=0AFrom: Alfred Rosa =0A=0ASent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Scott and I are now partners in it and he is putting it together in CA. The plan
is to put a modified 300+ hp Lycoming IO-540 in it.
-----Original Message-----
From: jerzy krasinski
Sent: Mar 20, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Mark,
I wonder what happened with your carbon KIS Cruiser . Have you managed to put that
plane together?
Jerzy
From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
To: "kis-list@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Considering the fact that obtaining parts
in the future may be entirely upto the current builders / flyers it would be great
if we could get some molds made off of those parts before you start any modifications
and trimming. This would be true for the wing tips as well. Those
are probably the most vulnerable parts that would ever need replacement. Would
that be a possibility?
Bob Reed
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Hi Al,
Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder
cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure what one we
will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6 to 12 months
away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, CA.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Rosa
Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
Sent from my
iPhone
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
Al, where are you located?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale? Desperate for a cowling.
Al rosa
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Actually taking molds off the parts is not so easy. The parts do not have a smooth
finish so you would need to fill and paint them and this makes assembly a
little more difficult. Also the parts are not as rigid as the final assembled
group. You also still need to make the flanges to the molds. Mold making is
also a lot work and unless if you can sell at least few parts it is not worth
the effort and cost.
That being said maybe Mark Trickle is going to make molds for the TR-1 and some
parts for the Volato 400 may fit on the TR-4. One off parts are also not all
that hard to make if there is no other choice. For example Scott made his own
wingtips on his TR1 and cut the wing ribs from flat stock on the TR4 Blackbird.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Mar 20, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Considering the fact that obtaining parts in the future may be entirely upto the
current builders / flyers it would be great if we could get some molds made
off of those parts before you start any modifications and trimming. This would
be true for the wing tips as well. Those are probably the most vulnerable parts
that would ever need replacement. Would that be a possibility?
Bob Reed
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Hi Al,
Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder
cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure what one we
will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6 to 12 months
away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, CA.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Rosa
Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
Al, where are you located?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale? Desperate for a cowling.
Al rosa
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
Mark,=0A=0AThat would move -the center of gravity quite a bit forward.=0A
My plane has a Franklin engine and it is nose heavy.=0ADoes that mean that
you will move the wings and the landing gear forward too=0Aor will you simp
ly put a large piece of lead into the tail?=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0A____________
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and he is putting it together in CA.- The plan is to put a modified 300+
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molds made off of those parts before you start any modifications and trimm
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cott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental
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at one we will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit.- This
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| Subject: | Re: TR4 cowling. |
We have not started on the fuselage yet, but the plan is to move the wing 3-
4 inches foward to compensate for engine weight and angle the main gear forw
ard to put the wheels in the right place. I want a taildragger which would
help with the nose heaviness and main wheel placement, but the plan is a tr
i gear which will work.
Scott
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:41 PM, jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski@sbcglobal.ne
t> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> That would move the center of gravity quite a bit forward.
> My plane has a Franklin engine and it is nose heavy.
> Does that mean that you will move the wings and the landing gear forward t
oo
> or will you simply put a large piece of lead into the tail?
>
> Jerzy
>
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Scott and I are now partners in it and he is putting it together in CA. T
he plan is to put a modified 300+ hp Lycoming IO-540 in it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: jerzy krasinski
>
> Sent: Mar 20, 2014 12:31 PM
>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com"
>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Mark,
> I wonder what happened with your carbon KIS Cruiser . Have you managed to p
ut that plane together?
> Jerzy
> From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
> Considering the fact that obtaining parts
> in the future may be entirely upto the current builders / flyers it would b
e great if we could get some molds made off of those parts before you start a
ny modifications and trimming. This would be true for the wing tips as well
. Those are probably the most vulnerable parts that would ever need replace
ment. Would that be a possibility?
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continenta
l 6 cylinder cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure wha
t one we will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6
to 12 months away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarill
o, CA.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Alfred Rosa
>
> Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com"
>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
>
> Sent from my
> iPhone
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Al, where are you located?
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale? Desperate for a c
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Yes, the wing and landing gear are moved forward about 4 inches. Some provisions
for this were actually done when I made the parts.
-----Original Message-----
From: jerzy krasinski
Sent: Mar 20, 2014 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Mark,
That would move the center of gravity quite a bit forward.My plane has a Franklin
engine and it is nose heavy.Does that mean that you will move the wings and
the landing gear forward tooor will you simply put a large piece of lead into
the tail?
Jerzy
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Scott and I are now partners in it and he is putting it together in CA. The plan
is to put a modified 300+ hp Lycoming IO-540 in it.
-----Original Message-----
From: jerzy krasinski
Sent: Mar 20, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re:
KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Mark,
I wonder what happened with your carbon KIS Cruiser . Have you managed to put that
plane together?
Jerzy
From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
To: "kis-list@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Considering the fact that obtaining parts
in the future may be entirely upto the current builders / flyers it would be great
if we could get some molds made off of those parts before you start any modifications
and trimming. This would be true for the wing tips as well. Those
are probably the most vulnerable
parts that would ever need replacement. Would that be a possibility?
Bob Reed
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Hi Al,
Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinder
cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure what one we
will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6 to 12 months
away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarillo,
CA.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Rosa
Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
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iPhone
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
Al, where are you located?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale?
Desperate for a cowling.
Al rosa
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Making formal molds would be a lot of work, but I would just cover an existing
unpainted cowl with aluminum tape, wax it, and layup right onto it. Go one ply
at a time and drape the dry cloth on the part and wet it out on the part so
you dont get air bubbles. I would use 3 plies overall and a couple extra plies
around the edges. The part would be slightly oversized but the part could be
fitted with little or no extra work. I would lay down a layer of good low
tack masking tape under the aluminum tape if the base part were painted and not
leave it on the part longer than a week or so.
Scott
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Actually taking molds off the parts is not so easy. The parts do not have a
smooth finish so you would need to fill and paint them and this makes assembly
a little more difficult. Also the parts are not as rigid as the final assembled
group. You also still need to make the flanges to the molds. Mold making
is also a lot work and unless if you can sell at least few parts it is not worth
the effort and cost.
>
> That being said maybe Mark Trickle is going to make molds for the TR-1 and some
parts for the Volato 400 may fit on the TR-4. One off parts are also not all
that hard to make if there is no other choice. For example Scott made his
own wingtips on his TR1 and cut the wing ribs from flat stock on the TR4 Blackbird.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Robert Reed
>
> Sent: Mar 20, 2014 11:51 AM
>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com"
>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Considering the fact that obtaining parts in the future may be entirely upto
the current builders / flyers it would be great if we could get some molds made
off of those parts before you start any modifications and trimming. This would
be true for the wing tips as well. Those are probably the most vulnerable
parts that would ever need replacement. Would that be a possibility?
>
> Bob Reed
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>
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Scott and I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6
cylinder cowl in fiberglass. The problem is we do not know for sure what one
we will be using until we get an engine and do a trial fit. This is 6 to 12
months away. What is your time frame? FYI, these cowls are Camarillo, CA.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Alfred Rosa
>
> Sent: Mar 19, 2014 7:45 PM
>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com"
>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR4 cowling.
>
>
>
> Near the Venice FL municipal airport.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Al, where are you located?
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark or someone , is there a cowling out there for sale? Desperate for a cowling.
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I wonder if you could use a vinal-wrap to achieve the smooth finish without
all the filling and painting?- =0A-=0AIt was just a thought (more like
a hope).=0A-=0ABob=0A=0AFrom: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>=0AT
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ll need to make the flanges to the molds.- Mold making is also a lot work
and unless if you can sell at least few parts it is not worth the effort a
nd cost.=0A=0AThat being said maybe Mark Trickle is going to make molds for
the TR-1 and some parts for the Volato 400 may fit on the TR-4.- One off
parts are also not all that hard to make if there is no other choice.- F
or example Scott made his own wingtips on his TR1 and cut the wing ribs fro
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I have both a Lycoming 360 cowl in carbon fiber and a Continental 6 cylinde
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