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1. 04:53 AM - KIS included on wikipedia (Owen Baker)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: KIS included on wikipedia (mark_trickel)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: KIS included on wikipedia (Hans Christian Erstad)
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| Subject: | KIS included on wikipedia |
5/28/2014
Hello Galin, Thanks for the reminder of the picture of my KIS TR-1 or
KIS2 in the ICAO 8643 document.
I provided that picture to ICAO, but have never been able to go on the
internet to see that picture in their files in spite of several
attempts.
Can you please tell me how to get to that picture with my computer?
Many thanks,
OC
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Time: 06:37:35 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS included on wikipedia
NICE!
ICAO 8643 has a photo of my airplane (N819PR) as the example of the
KIS4.
It also has OC Baker's airplane (N66OC) as the photo example of a KIS2.
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| Subject: | Re: KIS included on wikipedia |
Hello Hans,
I hope you are enjoying your stay here in the New World. I guess you will be forever
immortalized in the cyber world with this recent wiki page. This page turned
up while I as searching for KIS aircraft about two months ago. The good thing
about wiki is it shows up on the top of most any web search. The bad thing
is unfortunately 50 to 75 percent of the information posted is in fact misinformation.
There are two other KIS wiki pages, one of them I contributed the production
numbers.
The page mentions the KIS beginning as a sketch for an Australian prospect. While
that may be fact I never heard that story from Rich. By 1987, Rich had tooled
and produced many Lancair kit parts. The Lancair was and is an incredibly hard
and time consuming kit to build. Rich set out to develop a simpler alternative.
Many people contributed to the original design. When Rich first moved to
California to work at Task he met NASA engineer Nate Rambo. These two hit it
off right away, after all Rich was building a Dragonfly before he moved to CA
and Nate had one well under way which Rich helped him finish. It was Nate that
introduced Rich to Vance. Rich also solicited opinions from members of his local
EAA chapter 723. Rich also met Martin Hollmann while working at Task and somehow
the two of them convinced Lance to join with them to produce the composite
kit parts for the Lancair. It is easy to see the similarities between the
Lancair and the KIS, they both share the same engineer, construction materials
and techniques, and metal control system parts.
The variants are also wrong. The page refers the TR-1C as a TR-1/TD. Rich hated
the term taildragger, so that is way it was designated the TR-1C. It was Jack
Cox who called it a Taildragger in the first SA article in which the TR-1C appeared
late in 1992.
The completion numbers are also wrong. Both the FAA and the CAA are big institutions
where accurate information seems to fall through the cracks. Real numbers
are hard to come by but I believe I have the most accurate and up to date information
about KIS as I am constantly searching for the KIS fleet. The total
number of flying (or flew at one time or another) TR-1/TR-1C is currently 72,
9 have been lost in mishaps but 1 of those will be rebuilt. The total number of
flying TR-4s are (or flew at one time or another) is 25, 4 lost in mishaps (included
are 2 ready to fly - Ed Hanson, and Zizo Vilela).
Hans I am wondering if you might have met up with Randy Ott? He has a really mean
320 powered TR-1 just East of the San Francisco area in Stockton, CA.
Mark T.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423908#423908
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| Subject: | Re: KIS included on wikipedia |
Thanks for the history update Mark.
No, I have not contact with Randy Ott. (Are you on this forum Randy?). I
have only flown pass Stockton in Central valley. Here in the US I got a
FAA license issued based on my Norwegain one, and I am renting Cessnas at
Palo Alto. I realized that I had not flown anything but my KIS for the
last 13 years, so the first couple of flights here was pretty stressful in
those strange aluminum boxes - with all the airspace around San Francisco,
Oakland and San Jose, and the non-ICAO (FAA) ways of doing things. But I
really enjoy having the opportunity to fly around here - even if it is a
Cessna. But I miss my KIS.
I plan to drive down to LA in a couple of weeks, and I will have to stop by
in Oxnard, where the KIS history began and my #32 started off.
Hans Christian
2014-05-28 7:45 GMT-07:00 mark_trickel <marktrickel@gmail.com>:
>
> Hello Hans,
> I hope you are enjoying your stay here in the New World. I guess you will
> be forever immortalized in the cyber world with this recent wiki page. This
> page turned up while I as searching for KIS aircraft about two months ago.
> The good thing about wiki is it shows up on the top of most any web search.
> The bad thing is unfortunately 50 to 75 percent of the information posted
> is in fact misinformation. There are two other KIS wiki pages, one of them
> I contributed the production numbers.
>
> The page mentions the KIS beginning as a sketch for an Australian
> prospect. While that may be fact I never heard that story from Rich. By
> 1987, Rich had tooled and produced many Lancair kit parts. The Lancair was
> and is an incredibly hard and time consuming kit to build. Rich set out to
> develop a simpler alternative. Many people contributed to the original
> design. When Rich first moved to California to work at Task he met NASA
> engineer Nate Rambo. These two hit it off right away, after all Rich was
> building a Dragonfly before he moved to CA and Nate had one well under way
> which Rich helped him finish. It was Nate that introduced Rich to Vance.
> Rich also solicited opinions from members of his local EAA chapter 723.
> Rich also met Martin Hollmann while working at Task and somehow the two of
> them convinced Lance to join with them to produce the composite kit parts
> for the Lancair. It is easy to see the similarities between the Lancair and
> the KIS, they both share the same engine!
> er, construction materials and techniques, and metal control system parts.
>
> The variants are also wrong. The page refers the TR-1C as a TR-1/TD. Rich
> hated the term taildragger, so that is way it was designated the TR-1C. It
> was Jack Cox who called it a Taildragger in the first SA article in which
> the TR-1C appeared late in 1992.
>
> The completion numbers are also wrong. Both the FAA and the CAA are big
> institutions where accurate information seems to fall through the cracks.
> Real numbers are hard to come by but I believe I have the most accurate and
> up to date information about KIS as I am constantly searching for the KIS
> fleet. The total number of flying (or flew at one time or another)
> TR-1/TR-1C is currently 72, 9 have been lost in mishaps but 1 of those will
> be rebuilt. The total number of flying TR-4s are (or flew at one time or
> another) is 25, 4 lost in mishaps (included are 2 ready to fly - Ed Hanson,
> and Zizo Vilela).
>
> Hans I am wondering if you might have met up with Randy Ott? He has a
> really mean 320 powered TR-1 just East of the San Francisco area in
> Stockton, CA.
>
> Mark T.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423908#423908
>
>
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