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6/6/2014
Hello Julian, Thank you for your response.
Your description of the landing difficulties for the KIS TR-1 is apt:
1) One has to accept that the KIS TR-1 is not a good short field
airplane and that considerable skill is required to land it consistently
on short runways.
2) A very skilled pilot may be able to land it short field successfully
by looking at the side of the runway (because the view over the nose is
blocked late in the landing flare).
3) A very skilled pilot may be able to land it short field successfully
by carrying some small amount of engine power during the landing flare
(which does add to landing roll out distance) until just before main
landing gear touch down.
I have concluded that I am no longer a very skilled pilot (maybe I never
was) and it has taken me years to come up with an approach and landng
method that works for me with my KIS TR-1. Along with avoiding short
fields or short field landing attempts here is my technique:
A) I observe very close airspeed control (between 75 and 80 knots
indicated for my airplane) during the landing approach. 75 KIAS is OK if
the airplane is light.
B) I fly a very flat approach and set my engine RPM between 1200 and
1300 late in the approach.
C) During the landing flare I try to never raise the nose above the far
end of the runway or a spot on the horizon beyond the far end of the
runway.
D) If I do reduce the engine power any further during the landing flare
it is very gradually and very close to main landing gear touch down.
OC
PS: Hang in there with building the Glastar. We have a few that have
been built in our EAA Chapter and the owners are happy with them.
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From: Julian Bone
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: Mishap
Hi Owen
Thanks for the email.
I damaged the KIS in a minor overrun landing approx ten years ago and
decided not to repair it.
Visibility is poor on approach at the correct speed as the direction of
travel is through the floor, it really does need an airbrake to lower
the nose or more attack on the wing, mine was set to 3 degrees as I
remember.
Climbout is also pretty poor as designed.
I guess I just got tired of it!
I regret not repairing it but having had a number of near misses I
decided enough was enough.
I am nearing completion of a Glastar, however it is a ludicrously
complex kit compared to the KIS!
The doors are unbelievably overbuilt.
The KIS was a more fun aeroplane but a pig to land in extreme
circumstances.
I hope you are well.
Regards Julian
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From: Owen Baker [mailto:bakerocb@cox.net]
Sent: 31 May 2014 12:01
Subject: Mishap
5/31/2014
Hello Julian, Sorry to hear about the mishap with your KIS. Can you
please tell me anything about the circumstances?
Thanks,
OC
PS: Are you on any Glasair builders internet list?
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From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Owen Baker
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:03 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Mishap
6/6/2014
Hello Julian, Thank you for your response.
Your description of the landing difficulties for the KIS TR-1 is apt:
1) One has to accept that the KIS TR-1 is not a good short field
airplane
and that considerable skill is required to land it consistently on short
runways.
2) A very skilled pilot may be able to land it short field successfully
by
looking at the side of the runway (because the view over the nose is
blocked
late in the landing flare).
3) A very skilled pilot may be able to land it short field successfully
by
carrying some small amount of engine power during the landing flare
(which
does add to landing roll out distance) until just before main landing
gear
touch down.
I have concluded that I am no longer a very skilled pilot (maybe I never
was) and it has taken me years to come up with an approach and landng
method
that works for me with my KIS TR-1. Along with avoiding short fields or
short field landing attempts here is my technique:
A) I observe very close airspeed control (between 75 and 80 knots
indicated
for my airplane) during the landing approach. 75 KIAS is OK if the
airplane
is light.
B) I fly a very flat approach and set my engine RPM between 1200 and
1300
late in the approach.
C) During the landing flare I try to never raise the nose above the far
end
of the runway or a spot on the horizon beyond the far end of the runway.
D) If I do reduce the engine power any further during the landing flare
it
is very gradually and very close to main landing gear touch down.
OC
PS: Hang in there with building the Glastar. We have a few that have
been
built in our EAA Chapter and the owners are happy with them.
This is Jesse Wright,
I am flying my Kis TR-1 on final at about 80 indicated. I was not at
all
comfortable doing this until I reset the flaps and ailerons. I
stretched a
string from front to back on the wing and found about a =BD=94 gap at
the hinge
line. I think this was planned but I am re-doing the trailing edge so
the
string touches at the hinge line. This means changing the wing fillets
and
wing tips trailing edge. I have experimented landing with half flaps
and am
experiencing a little float near touch down. Before doing this it
dropped
through and banged on the runway. Am I dreaming or does everyone else
have
their trailing edge lowered. I don=92t care about top speed any more, I
want
a soft touch down. Any comments?
Jesse Wright
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From: Julian Bone <mailto:jlbone@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: Mishap
Hi Owen
Thanks for the email.
I damaged the KIS in a minor overrun landing approx ten years ago and
decided not to repair it.
Visibility is poor on approach at the correct speed as the direction of
travel is through the floor, it really does need an airbrake to lower
the
nose or more attack on the wing, mine was set to 3 degrees as I
remember.
Climbout is also pretty poor as designed.
I guess I just got tired of it!
I regret not repairing it but having had a number of near misses I
decided
enough was enough.
I am nearing completion of a Glastar, however it is a ludicrously
complex
kit compared to the KIS!
The doors are unbelievably overbuilt.
The KIS was a more fun aeroplane but a pig to land in extreme
circumstances.
I hope you are well.
Regards Julian
_____
From: Owen Baker [mailto:bakerocb@cox.net]
Sent: 31 May 2014 12:01
Subject: Mishap
5/31/2014
Hello Julian, Sorry to hear about the mishap with your KIS. Can you
please
tell me anything about the circumstances?
Thanks,
OC
PS: Are you on any Glasair builders internet list?
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