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Tue 07/22/14


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 11:47 AM - N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez)
     2. 12:13 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Robert Reed)
     3. 01:11 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Alfred Rosa)
     4. 01:44 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez)
     5. 01:47 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez)
     6. 01:47 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Conners, Jerry L)
     7. 01:53 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez)
     8. 01:57 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Conners, Jerry L)
     9. 02:38 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Alfred Rosa)
    10. 03:28 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez)
    11. 04:32 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Conners, Jerry L)
    12. 09:39 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Scott Stearns)
 
 
 


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    Time: 11:47:36 AM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing collapsed. The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airplane out. Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. :(


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    Time: 12:13:32 PM PST US
    From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    Galin,=0A-=0AI am sorry to hear about this.- I know how close you were getting to your around the world trip and hope that this is just a minor se tback.- =0A-=0AFrom the photos it looks like the damage should be isola ted to cowling and engine.- The engine will be the big hit since the engi ne was running and the resulting prop strike will probably require a full d isassembly-inspection.- =0A-=0AKeep us informed on your progress and anything we can do to help.=0A-=0ABob Reed=0A-=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>=0ATo: "kis-li st@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:46 PM=0ASubject: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure=0A=0A=0A=0AYesterday, -after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just before I exi ted the runway. The landings (three that day) were super smooth, which is n ot very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right turn off the runwa y, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly rotate 180 degree s to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off center the tube couldn 't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing collapsed.=0A=0AThe worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is involved. Like I s aid, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". =0A=0ADepending on the firewal l condition it could cost more to repair than the insured value. When the i nsurance company tells me what they are going to do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airplane out.=0A=0AHere are some p hoto's of the airplane on the runway.=0A=0A:(


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    Time: 01:11:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com>
    So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but I know how insurance companies are. Al Rosa On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: > Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just > before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super > smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and > didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the > front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right > turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly > rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off > center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing > collapsed. > > The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have > happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an > exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is > involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". > > Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the > insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to > do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airplane > out. > > Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. > > :( >


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    Time: 01:44:45 PM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    With it being insured at only $75,000, it might wind up being more than 50% just to repair it. If I do part it out, a GREAT plug-n-play instrument panel for a TR-4 will be available real soon. ;) On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but I > know how insurance companies are. > > Al Rosa > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just >> before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super >> smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and >> didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the >> front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right >> turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly >> rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off >> center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing >> collapsed. >> >> The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have >> happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an >> exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is >> involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". >> >> Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the >> insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to >> do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airplane >> out. >> >> Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. >> >> :( >> > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 01:47:42 PM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    It will require a complete tear down inspection and depending on what they find might even need a new engine. The propeller / carb took the brunt of the severe impact so there has to be internal damage to the engine in addition to whatever external damage we see. :( On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote: > Galin, > > I am sorry to hear about this. I know how close you were getting to your > around the world trip and hope that this is just a minor setback. > > From the photos it looks like the damage should be isolated to cowling and > engine. The engine will be the big hit since the engine was running and > the resulting prop strike will probably require a full > disassembly inspection. > > Keep us informed on your progress and anything we can do to help. > > Bob Reed > > > *From:* Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> > *To:* "kis-list@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:46 PM > *Subject:* KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure > > Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just > before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super > smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and > didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the > front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right > turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly > rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off > center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing > collapsed. > > The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have > happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an > exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is > involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". > > Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the > insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to > do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airplane > out. > > Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. > > :( > > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 01:47:50 PM PST US
    From: "Conners, Jerry L" <jconners@dot.state.nv.us>
    Subject: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
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    Time: 01:53:30 PM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    Jerry; Do you know where to get a "new and improved" nose gear? One rated for about 150,000lbs? ;) On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv.us > wrote: > The damage looks minimaltear down inspection being the most cos tly > repair (with resulting needed replacement parts)then a new and i mproved > new nose gearhope the aircraft returns to the air soon > > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:44 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure > > > With it being insured at only $75,000, it might wind up being more than > 50% just to repair it. If I do part it out, a GREAT plug-n-play instrumen t > panel for a TR-4 will be available real soon. > > > ;) > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > > So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but I > know how insurance companies are. > > > Al Rosa > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just > before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super > smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer a nd > didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like th e > front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right > turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assemb ly > rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off > center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing > collapsed. > > > The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have > happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to a n > exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is > involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". > > > Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the > insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to > do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airpla ne > out. > > > Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. > > > :( > > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List <http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List>* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution>* > > ============* > > onics.com/Navigator?KIS-List>* > > ============* > > ============* > > com/contribution>* > ============* > > > ------------------------------ > > *This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by > anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you a re > not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > delete all copies of the original message.* > =C2=AD=C2=AD >


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    Time: 01:57:00 PM PST US
    From: "Conners, Jerry L" <jconners@dot.state.nv.us>
    Subject: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
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    Time: 02:38:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com>
    I'm in need of a cowling even if it's a little banged up. Al On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: > With it being insured at only $75,000, it might wind up being more than > 50% just to repair it. If I do part it out, a GREAT plug-n-play instrument > panel for a TR-4 will be available real soon. > > ;) > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but >> I know how insurance companies are. >> >> Al Rosa >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just >>> before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super >>> smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and >>> didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the >>> front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right >>> turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly >>> rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off >>> center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing >>> collapsed. >>> >>> The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have >>> happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an >>> exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is >>> involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". >>> >>> Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than >>> the insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going >>> to do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the >>> airplane out. >>> >>> Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. >>> >>> :( >>> >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 03:28:55 PM PST US
    From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    I am not smart enough to design anything like that on my own. If it was electrical or electronic THAT I can do. ;) On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv.us > wrote: > I would design myself and then have it fabricated in a manner that Lyle > has done in the pastno short cuts in the construction and using Paul > Lamar=99s worst case math to determine the loads on impact. > > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:53 PM > > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure > > > Jerry; Do you know where to get a "new and improved" nose gear? One rated > for about 150,000lbs? ;) > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Conners, Jerry L < > jconners@dot.state.nv.us> wrote: > > The damage looks minimaltear down inspection being the most cost ly repair > (with resulting needed replacement parts)then a new and improved new nose > gearhope the aircraft returns to the air soon > > > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:44 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure > > > With it being insured at only $75,000, it might wind up being more than > 50% just to repair it. If I do part it out, a GREAT plug-n-play instrumen t > panel for a TR-4 will be available real soon. > > > ;) > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: > > So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but I > know how insurance companies are. > > > Al Rosa > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just > before I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super > smooth, which is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer a nd > didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like th e > front pin on the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right > turn off the runway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assemb ly > rotate 180 degrees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off > center the tube couldn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing > collapsed. > > > The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have > happened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to a n > exit closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is > involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". > > > Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the > insured value. When the insurance company tells me what they are going to > do about the claim I will make a decision to repair or to part the airpla ne > out. > > > Here are some photo's of the airplane on the runway. > > > :( > > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List <http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List>* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution>* > > > ============= > > IS-List Email Forum - > > u> > > > > > tor?KIS-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Li st > > ============= > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > u> > > rget="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > ============= > > - List Contribution Web Site - > > /pre> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > bution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ============= > > > ------------------------------ > > *This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by > anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you a re > not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > delete all copies of the original message.* > > =C2=AD=C2=AD > > ============* > > onics.com/Navigator?KIS-List>* > > ============* > > ============* > > com/contribution>* > ============* > > > ------------------------------ > > *This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. Any review, dissemination or copying of this communication by > anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you a re > not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > delete all copies of the original message.* > =C2=AD=C2=AD >


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    Time: 04:32:54 PM PST US
    From: "Conners, Jerry L" <jconners@dot.state.nv.us>
    Subject: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
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    Time: 09:39:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    The RV-10 nosegear looks like it would be a possible conversion, if vans wil l sell them... Or a taildragger conversion.... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1BUCUXrqtsE/TJqBGCqCJYI/AAAAAAAAAR8/eL7IweRFt3A/s800/r v-10.jpg Scott > On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am not smart enough to design anything like that on my own. If it was el ectrical or electronic THAT I can do. ;) > > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv. us> wrote: >> I would design myself and then have it fabricated in a manner that Lyle h as done in the pastno short cuts in the construction and using Paul Lamar=99s worst case math to determine the loads on impact. >> >> >> >> From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:53 PM >> >> >> To: kis-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure >> >> >> Jerry; Do you know where to get a "new and improved" nose gear? One rated for about 150,000lbs? ;) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv. us> wrote: >> >> The damage looks minimaltear down inspection being the most cost ly repair (with resulting needed replacement parts)then a new and i mproved new nose gearhope the aircraft returns to the air soon >> >> >> >> From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:44 PM >> To: kis-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure >> >> >> >> With it being insured at only $75,000, it might wind up being more than 5 0% just to repair it. If I do part it out, a GREAT plug-n-play instrument pa nel for a TR-4 will be available real soon. >> >> >> >> ;) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So sorry to hear this Galin. It doesn't look bad enough to part-out but I know how insurance companies are. >> >> >> >> Al Rosa >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wro te: >> >> Yesterday, after a day of flying, the nose gear on my TR-4 failed just be fore I exited the runway. The landings (three that day) were super smooth, w hich is not very common for me. I am not a mechanical engineer and didn't sl eep at a Holiday Inn Express but preliminary check looks like the front pin o n the nose gear assembly failed. When I went to make the right turn off the r unway, the rear pin then failed which let the entire assembly rotate 180 deg rees to the left. Once the assembly was 180 degrees off center the tube coul dn't hold the stress, it failed and the whole thing collapsed. >> >> >> >> The worst part is if I would have taken the previous exit it would have h appened on the non-movement area of the airport. But since I taxied to an ex it closer to my hangar it happened on the runway so now the FAA is involved. Like I said, "Murphy is alive and well in aviation". >> >> >> >> Depending on the firewall condition it could cost more to repair than the insured value. 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