---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/31/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 PM - Re: Oshkosh (mark_trickel) 2. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh (Randy Ott) 3. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh (Robert Reed) 4. 07:39 PM - Re: N819PR Nose Gear Failure (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:05 PM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Oshkosh From: "mark_trickel" Hello All, Just a quick report from Oshkosh - KIS is here showing for the first time in 15 years. I am here with Mark K. Scott S. was nice enough to display THE KING KIS on our spot. Many KIS builders, and owners have stopped by to visit with us. I am showing ideas for a new LSA version of the TR-1, and I am peddling KIS kits and finished airplanes for sale by owners. I have had a lot of interest in them, and I will be forwarding information along to the interested parties when I return from the Big Show. On the way to Oshkosh I stopped in to see TR-4 builder Ed Hanson. His beautiful Cruiser is very close to flying but health issues keep getting in the way. Ed is having kidney problems and if you would - he could use prayers, and thoughts so that he can realize his dream of flying his KIS. There are 2 new airplanes to add to the list - one is very close to me in Delaware about 85% completed. The second discovery is a Franklin O-235 build flying in Texas. There was also a few new owners that will be dropping by to see us here. I will have a full report when I get home. 'till then keep the wheels right side down. Regards, Mark T. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427646#427646 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Oshkosh From: Randy Ott Thanks for keeping us informed...... wish I was there !!! Randy N96BT On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:59 PM, mark_trickel wrote: > > Hello All, > > Just a quick report from Oshkosh - KIS is here showing for the first time > in 15 years. I am here with Mark K. Scott S. was nice enough to display THE > KING KIS on our spot. Many KIS builders, and owners have stopped by to > visit with us. I am showing ideas for a new LSA version of the TR-1, and I > am peddling KIS kits and finished airplanes for sale by owners. I have had > a lot of interest in them, and I will be forwarding information along to > the interested parties when I return from the Big Show. On the way to > Oshkosh I stopped in to see TR-4 builder Ed Hanson. His beautiful Cruiser > is very close to flying but health issues keep getting in the way. Ed is > having kidney problems and if you would - he could use prayers, and > thoughts so that he can realize his dream of flying his KIS. There are 2 > new airplanes to add to the list - one is very close to me in Delaware > about 85% completed. The second discovery is a Franklin O-235 build flying > in Texas. There was also a few new owners! > that will be dropping by to see us here. > > I will have a full report when I get home. 'till then keep the wheels > right side down. > > Regards, Mark T. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427646#427646 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:36 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: Oshkosh I do hope you are taking lots of photos to share. Bob Reed Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2014, at 4:59 PM, "mark_trickel" wrote: > > > Hello All, > > Just a quick report from Oshkosh - KIS is here showing for the first time in 15 years. I am here with Mark K. Scott S. was nice enough to display THE KING KIS on our spot. Many KIS builders, and owners have stopped by to visit with us. I am showing ideas for a new LSA version of the TR-1, and I am peddling KIS kits and finished airplanes for sale by owners. I have had a lot of interest in them, and I will be forwarding information along to the interested parties when I return from the Big Show. On the way to Oshkosh I stopped in to see TR-4 builder Ed Hanson. His beautiful Cruiser is very close to flying but health issues keep getting in the way. Ed is having kidney problems and if you would - he could use prayers, and thoughts so that he can realize his dream of flying his KIS. There are 2 new airplanes to add to the list - one is very close to me in Delaware about 85% completed. The second discovery is a Franklin O-235 build flying in Texas. There was also a few new owners! > that will be dropping by to see us here. > > I will have a full report when I get home. 'till then keep the wheels right side down. > > Regards, Mark T. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427646#427646 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:21 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure I contacted CATTO Props today but they are all at OSH so if somebody gets to talk to them ask about a 3 bladed composite for a KIS4 with Lycoming O360 180HP engine. :) Now for the ongoing nose gear saga: It turns out the rear pin on the nose gear assembly sheared which caused the gear to collapse. The shear was clean and it was obvious (corrosion) the pin had started breaking well before the failure. It sheared right where the "H" bracket meets the firewall bracket and this explains why the visual inspection done during the annual did not find it. To see the problem happening you have to remove the pin there is no other way to inspect the area. I recommend everyone pull and check their rear "H" bracket pin to see if they are experiencing the same issue or not. If you do please let us know what your find, good or bad, so if there is a trend we can identify it. I plan to pull and inspect the new pin after 50hr or 50 landing (whichever comes first) and at the annual. If I experience a bad shimmy at any time (due to over grease or lack of friction) I will pull and inspect the pin since this places a lot of stress on that specific part of that pin. After a few inspections I will decide if it needs to be inspected on a continuous basis or I just got a bad pin. I am also contemplating having the new pin made from steel instead of aluminum even with the dissimilar metal corrosion issue. Steel or aluminum I will do the above inspections no matter what the pin is eventually made from. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Tim Yoder wrote: > Galin, > > You might talk to Scott Stearns, he had a Prince prop on his carbon > TR-1C with a 220 HP O-360 and has changed to a different prop. A friend g ot > a three blade Catto for his RV7 that took six months to get but he likes > it. The Prince P-Tip is not the most efficient design and I'm sure you kn ow > that two blades are more efficient than three, as Bob mentioned, assuming > you have ground clearance. I also believe that MT has a mandatory 10 yr. > overhaul on it's adjustable props. That cost allot also. > > Tim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Galin Hernandez > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:08 PM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure > > THANKS for the info Bob. > > Is anybody running a fixed pitch composite 3 bladed prop on a TR-4? I wan t > some basic inputs from actual use before I make a decision. MT, Prince an d > even Sensenich are high on my list. > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Robert Reed wrote: > >> Galin, >> >> Catto didn't have a model number for the prop, he basically did a custom >> based on engine horsepower, RPM, and airspeed for the aircraft. He also >> included desired two blade or three blade configuration. I went with th ree >> blade out of desire to have quite operation over power performance becau se >> of Sharon's migraines. Catto now has the leading edge protection on his >> props. >> >> I looked at Prince and can't remember why I excluded them but it seems >> that their prop wasn't rated for the Lycoming 360 engine at that time. I >> also looked at MT Props but they were a bit on the expensive side as I >> recall. I really liked their electric constant speed option though and >> would probably have gone with that if money weren't a primary concern. >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> *From:* Galin Hernandez >> *To:* "kis-list@matronics.com" >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:08 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure >> >> Bob; What model prop did you wind up buying from Catto? Does it have a >> particular model number/designation? >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Owen Baker wrote: >> >> 7/24/2014 >> >> Hello Galin, You wrote: =9C.... composite props and rain don't mix very >> well....=9D >> >> Would you consider a prince propeller with leading edge protection? >> >> http://www.princeaircraft.com/ >> >> OC >> >> ======================== ========= >> >> *From:* Galin Hernandez >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:46 AM >> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: N819PR Nose Gear Failure >> >> Initial check by the mechanic indicates no firewall damage at all, so >> the actual damage is not a big deal. Engine will be completely overhaule d, >> a new nose gear installed, a new propeller installed, some fiberglass wo rk >> done and the airplane will be better than before. The airplane is a whol e >> lot stronger than it looks. >> >> The rear pin on the landing gear "H" bracket broke letting the entire >> assembly rotate 180 degrees backwards. Once this happened the main tube >> held up for a little bit but eventually collapsed under the different >> stress. I will ask Lyle if he can make the landing gear rear pin a littl e >> bigger to better withstand the landing loads. >> >> I will definitely look at moving the main gear an inch or two further >> forward but not sure if it can be done at this stage. The other option i s >> to go with a CATTO composite prop, which is lighter than the SENSENICH >> aluminum prop I have, but composite props and rain don't mix very well a nd >> I fly real IMC. >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> *http://www.matro://forums.matronics.com/ " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums. == ======= >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > ics.com > .matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > ------------------------------ > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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