---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/05/15: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:32 AM - Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Bill Schertz) 2. 08:06 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Robert Reed) 3. 09:05 AM - Re: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (mark_trickel) 4. 09:42 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (jerzy krasinski) 5. 10:07 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (jerzy krasinski) 6. 10:28 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Bill Schertz) 7. 11:43 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Scott Stearns) 8. 01:00 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Graham Brighton) 9. 01:36 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (jerzy krasinski) 10. 04:13 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Jerzy's TR4 (Rob) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:30 AM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Charlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasinski=99s Cruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this, as I have seen this plane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is still a member of the matronics list, but if so, my condolence on his loss. Bill Schertz Here is a link to the insurance salvage data. http://www.aigaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?SalvageId= 1949 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Smith Subject: Jerzy's TR4 Bill, Just discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at start-up late last month. I checked Matronics and saw nothing there. Thought I'd alert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this time. I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn't injured. At least I hope he's ok. Charlie ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:35 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 =0AJust checked out the link and was glad to hear that it was not an injur y accident but so sorry to see that the damage was from the instrument pane l forward. That in all probability means the aircraft can not be repaired. There might be a significant number of useful parts for the KIS community though if anyone is in a position to take it.=0A =0AJerzy, I am really sor ry to hear this and hope everything works out OK.=0A =0ABob Reed =0A =0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Bill Schertz =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:31 A M=0ASubject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4=0A =0A=0A=0ACharlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasinski=99s =0ACruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this, as I have seen this =0Aplane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is still a membe r of the =0Amatronics list, but if so, my condolence on his loss. =0ABill Schertz =0A=0AHere is a link to the insurance salvage data. =0Ahttp://www.a igaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?SalvageId=1949 =0A=0A - --------- =0AForwarded message ----------=0AFrom: Charlie =0ASmith =0ADate: =0AWed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM=0ASubject: Jerzy 's TR4=0ATo: wschertz343@gmail.com=0A=0A=0A =0ABill, =0A=0AJust discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at start-up late =0Alast month. I checked Matronics and saw nothing there. Thought I'd =0Aalert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this =0Atime. I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn't =0Ainjured. At le = ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:36 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Re: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 From: "mark_trickel" Bill, Thank for posting this information. Words cannot describe how bad I feel when yet another KIS is in the totaled column. I fired an email off to AIG for more information. I may bid on it - does anybody have any idea what a burned up IO-360 is worth (probably little value in the rest of the airplane but if I can get my hands on a TR-4 I'd mold up parts for that one too)? I did not realize Jersy had a MT prop on the airplane. Robert - Its composite, and as long as the spars are intact that puppy can be brought back to life. Bill - Is there any update on Charlie Smiths TR-4? Is he still building or maybe even flying it? Well...since this is a really bad post I got more bad news I been sitting on that I was going to post on my next update but WTH - We lost another TR-1, not totaled but will need lots of attention. The 3rd owner of Ralph Bernhardt's KIS was making a nasty crosswind landing, when the wind planted the wing tip first, and the rest of the plane hit hard collapsing the nose gear while shearing off the prop. More on this in my update later this week. Jersy I am so sorry for you loss, my thoughts are with you. In sadness, Mark T. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438083#438083 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:01 AM PST US From: jerzy krasinski Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Bob and Bill,=0A=0AThank you. I was not injured, but as you can see shit ha ppens.=0A=0AIf anyone uses Ellison carb - better be aware.=0A=0AThe damage was from the firewall forward .=0AIn addition the plane suffered bad burn/w rinkling of the left side of the fuselage to the front of the wing. =0AAlso , the bottom of the fuselage is burned with honeycomb separated down to the front of the flaps. The firewall survived as a fire barrier during the fi re, but it would have to be replaced for structural reasons.=0A=0ANo way to get properly shaped honeycomb for replacement.=0A=0AI thought it was possi ble to fix it making a bunch of ribs on the right side of the fuselage an d transfer them to the left side. After removing of the burned wall a new w all could be built of glass/foam/glass on these ribs.=0A=0AThe engine looks that it might be still good but the accessories are less certain. =0AThe s mall accessories are for sure shot.=0A=0AThe German three blade electric co nstant speed propeller has two blades with damaged back surfaces- a few lay ers of fiberglass are burned. I do not know precisely how deep. Fiberglass seems to be repairable since the damage is limited to the outer regions and the blades seem to be solidly connected to the metal roots There is enou gh room for overlapping the fiberglass on the blades, but the front edge pl astic is deformed by fire. Two options here. One option is to remove the p lastic from all blades and make fiberglass fronts instead. That could be do ne totally at home. The other option is to send the whole thing to the comp any for replacement or repair (if they find it possible) of these two blade s.=0A=0AI was convinced by the insurance company to total the plane, so her e we are.=0A=0AI thought I posted a short note about the fire on the Matron ics list, but either I made a mistake and did not send it, or more likely I have been removed from the list because I did not see anything coming from the list for a long time.=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, February 5, 2015 10:09 AM, Robert Reed wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AJust che cked out the link and was glad to hear that it was not an injury accident b ut so sorry to see that the damage was from the instrument panel forward. That in all probability means the aircraft can not be repaired. There migh t be a significant number of useful parts for the KIS community though if a nyone is in a position to take it.=0A =0AJerzy, I am really sorry to hear t his and hope everything works out OK.=0A =0ABob Reed =0A=0AFrom: Bill Scher tz =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:31 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4=0A =0A =0A=0ACharlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasins ki=99s =0ACruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this , as I have seen this =0Aplane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is still a member of the =0Amatronics list, but if so, my condolence on his loss. =0ABill Schertz=0A =0AHere is a link to the insurance salvage data.=0Ahttp://www.aigaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?Salva geId=1949 =0A---------- =0AForwarded message ----------=0AFrom: Charlie =0ASmith =0ADate: =0AWed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM =0ASubject: Jerzy's TR4=0ATo: wschertz343@gmail.com=0A=0A=0A=0ABill, =0A =0AJust discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at start-up late =0Alast month. I checked Matronics and saw nothing there. Thought I'd =0Aalert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this =0Atime. I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn 't =0Ainjured. At least I hope he's ok. =0ACharlie=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://ww w.matronics.com/================= =0A=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:04 AM PST US From: jerzy krasinski Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Mark,=0A=0AThe left wing is intact.=0AThe right wing has a little smoke/fir e damage to the paint on the very nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage. =0ASeems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A little of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. =0A=0AThe engine is Franklin 220HP. =0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, Februa ry 5, 2015 11:44 AM, jerzy krasinski wrote: =0A =0A=0A=0ABob and Bill,=0A=0AThank you. I was not injured, but as you ca n see shit happens.=0A=0AIf anyone uses Ellison carb - better be aware.=0A =0AThe damage was from the firewall forward .=0AIn addition the plane suffe red bad burn/wrinkling of the left side of the fuselage to the front of the wing. =0AAlso, the bottom of the fuselage is burned with honeycomb separat ed down to the front of the flaps. The firewall survived as a fire barrier during the fire, but it would have to be replaced for structural reasons. =0A=0ANo way to get properly shaped honeycomb for replacement.=0A=0AI thoug ht it was possible to fix it making a bunch of ribs on the right side of the fuselage and transfer them to the left side. After removing of the burn ed wall a new wall could be built of glass/foam/glass on these ribs.=0A=0AT he engine looks that it might be still good but the accessories are less ce rtain. =0AThe small accessories are for sure shot.=0A=0AThe German three bl ade electric constant speed propeller has two blades with damaged back surf aces- a few layers of fiberglass are burned. I do not know precisely how de ep. Fiberglass seems to be repairable since the damage is limited to the ou ter regions and the blades seem to be solidly connected to the metal root s There is enough room for overlapping the fiberglass on the blades, but th e front edge plastic is deformed by fire. Two options here. One option is to remove the plastic from all blades and make fiberglass fronts instead. T hat could be done totally at home. The other option is to send the whole th ing to the company for replacement or repair (if they find it possible) of these two blades.=0A=0AI was convinced by the insurance company to total th e plane, so here we are.=0A=0AI thought I posted a short note about the fir e on the Matronics list, but either I made a mistake and did not send it, o r more likely I have been removed from the list because I did not see anyth ing coming from the list for a long time.=0A=0AJerzy=0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, F ebruary 5, 2015 10:09 AM, Robert Reed wrote:=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AJust checked out the link and was glad to hear that it was not an in jury accident but so sorry to see that the damage was from the instrument p anel forward. That in all probability means the aircraft can not be repair ed. There might be a significant number of useful parts for the KIS commun ity though if anyone is in a position to take it.=0A =0AJerzy, I am really sorry to hear this and hope everything works out OK.=0A =0ABob Reed =0A=0AF rom: Bill Schertz =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0AS ent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:31 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy 's TR4=0A =0A=0A=0ACharlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasinski=99s =0ACruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this, as I have seen this =0Aplane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is still a member of the =0Amatronics list, but if so, m y condolence on his loss. =0ABill Schertz=0A =0AHere is a link to the insur ance salvage data.=0Ahttp://www.aigaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedeta il.aspx?SalvageId=1949 =0A---------- =0AForwarded message ----------=0AFr om: Charlie =0ASmith =0ADate: =0AWed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:56 AM=0ASubject: Jerzy's TR4=0ATo: wschertz343@gmail.com=0A=0A=0A=0A Bill, =0A =0AJust discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at sta rt-up late =0Alast month. I checked Matronics and saw nothing there. Thou ght I'd =0Aalert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this =0Atime. I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn't =0Ainjured. At least I hope he's ok. =0ACharlie=0A =0A =0A =0Ah ttp://www.matronics.com/================= =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c============== ================= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:18 AM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 A friend of mine had an E-Racer catch on fire and burn to the ground. Had an IO540 in it, and the engine rebuilder said that there was minimal work to make it airworthy. Good luck Bill From: jerzy krasinski Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:06 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Mark, The left wing is intact. The right wing has a little smoke/fire damage to the paint on the very nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage. Seems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A little of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. The engine is Franklin 220HP. Jerzy On Thursday, February 5, 2015 11:44 AM, jerzy krasinski wrote: Bob and Bill, Thank you. I was not injured, but as you can see shit happens. If anyone uses Ellison carb - better be aware. The damage was from the firewall forward . In addition the plane suffered bad burn/wrinkling of the left side of the fuselage to the front of the wing. Also, the bottom of the fuselage is burned with honeycomb separated down to the front of the flaps. The firewall survived as a fire barrier during the fire, but it would have to be replaced for structural reasons. No way to get properly shaped honeycomb for replacement. I thought it was possible to fix it making a bunch of ribs on the right side of the fuselage and transfer them to the left side. After removing of the burned wall a new wall could be built of glass/foam/glass on these ribs. The engine looks that it might be still good but the accessories are less certain. The small accessories are for sure shot. The German three blade electric constant speed propeller has two blades with damaged back surfaces- a few layers of fiberglass are burned. I do not know precisely how deep. Fiberglass seems to be repairable since the damage is limited to the outer regions and the blades seem to be solidly connected to the metal roots There is enough room for overlapping the fiberglass on the blades, but the front edge plastic is deformed by fire. Two options here. One option is to remove the plastic from all blades and make fiberglass fronts instead. That could be done totally at home. The other option is to send the whole thing to the company for replacement or repair (if they find it possible) of these two blades. I was convinced by the insurance company to total the plane, so here we are. I thought I posted a short note about the fire on the Matronics list, but either I made a mistake and did not send it, or more likely I have been removed from the list because I did not see anything coming from the list for a long time. Jerzy On Thursday, February 5, 2015 10:09 AM, Robert Reed wrote: Just checked out the link and was glad to hear that it was not an injury accident but so sorry to see that the damage was from the instrument panel forward. That in all probability means the aircraft can not be repaired. There might be a significant number of useful parts for the KIS community though if anyone is in a position to take it. Jerzy, I am really sorry to hear this and hope everything works out OK. Bob Reed From: Bill Schertz Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Charlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasinski=99s Cruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this, as I have seen this plane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is still a member of the matronics list, but if so, my condolence on his loss. Bill Schertz Here is a link to the insurance salvage data. http://www.aigaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?SalvageId= 1949 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Smith Subject: Jerzy's TR4 Bill, Just discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at start-up late last month. I checked Matronics and saw nothing there. Thought I'd alert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this time. I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn't injured. At least I hope he's ok. Charlie http://www.matronics.com/================ http://www.matronics.c================= http://www.matro=================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:56 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Very sorry to hear about the fire. =C2-Do you know exactly how the fire s tarted? =C2-Was there a problem with the carb? Scott From: jerzy krasinski To: "kis-list@matronics.com" Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 10:06 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Mark, The left wing is intact.The right wing has a little smoke/fire damage to th e paint on the very nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage.=C2 -Seems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A =C2-littl e of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. The engine is Franklin 220HP.=C2- Jerzy On Thursday, February 5, 2015 11:44 AM, jerzy krasinski wrote: Bob and Bill, Thank you. I was not injured, but as you can see shit happens. If anyone uses Ellison carb - better be aware. The damage was from the firewall forward .In addition the plane suffered ba d burn/wrinkling of the left side of the fuselage to the front of the wing. =C2-Also, the bottom of the fuselage is burned with honeycomb separated d own to the front of the flaps. The firewall survived =C2-as a fire barrie r during the fire, but it would have to be replaced for structural reasons. No way to get properly shaped honeycomb for replacement. I thought it was possible to fix it making =C2-a bunch of =C2-ribs on t he right side of the fuselage and transfer them to the left side. After rem oving of the burned wall a new wall could be built of glass/foam/glass on t hese ribs. The engine looks that it might be still good but the accessories are less c ertain.=C2-The small accessories are for sure shot. The German three blade electric constant speed propeller has two blades wit h damaged back surfaces- a few layers of fiberglass are burned. I do not kn ow precisely how deep. Fiberglass seems to be repairable since the damage i s limited to the outer regions and the blades =C2-seem to be =C2-solidl y connected to the metal roots There is enough room for overlapping the fib erglass on the blades, but the front edge plastic is deformed by fire. Two options here. One option =C2-is to remove the plastic from all blades and make fiberglass fronts instead. That could be done totally at home. The ot her option is to send the whole thing to the company for replacement or rep air (if they find it possible) of these two blades. I was convinced by the insurance company to total the plane, so here we are .. I thought I posted a short note about the fire on the Matronics list, but e ither I made a mistake and did not send it, or more likely I have been remo ved from the list because I did not see anything coming from the list for a long time. Jerzy On Thursday, February 5, 2015 10:09 AM, Robert Reed wrote: =C2-Just checked out the link and=C2-was glad to hear that it was not an injury accident but so sorry to see that the damage was=C2-from the in strument panel forward.=C2- That in all probability means the aircraft ca n not be repaired.=C2- There might be a significant number of useful part s for the KIS community though if anyone is in a position to take it.=C2- Jerzy, I am really sorry to hear this and hope everything works out OK.=C2 -Bob Reed=C2- From: Bill Schertz To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Charlie Smith just forwarded a note that indicated that Jerzy Krasinski =99s Cruiser was destroyed in a fire. I am very sad to hear this, as I h ave seen this plane and he did a really nice job. I am not sure if he is st ill a member of the matronics list, but if so, my condolence on his loss. B ill Schertz=C2-Here is a link to the insurance salvage data.http://www.ai gaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?SalvageId=1949=C2----- ------ Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Smith Subject: Jerzy's TR4 Bill, =C2-Just discovered Jerzy's Cruiser was destroyed in a fire at star t-up late last month.=C2- I checked Matronics and saw nothing there.=C2 - Thought I'd alert you since he may need some comforting words from the group at this time.=C2- I couldn't find anything on Google about it so I presume he wasn't injured.=C2- At least I hope he's ok.=C2-Charlie=C2 -=C2-=C2-http://www.matronics.com/=========== ===== http://www.matronics.c================ = http://www.matro================== = ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:07 PM PST US From: "Graham Brighton" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Jerzy, Bloody heck ... so sorry to hear the crap news .. glad u weren't injured .., Graham .. From: jerzy krasinski Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:06 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Mark, The left wing is intact. The right wing has a little smoke/fire damage to the paint on the very nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage. Seems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A little of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. The engine is Franklin 220HP. Jerzy http://www.matronics.com/================ http://www.matronics.c================= http://www.matro=================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:34 PM PST US From: jerzy krasinski Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Graham, I am glad, too. Good to remember that the fire would not stop until all the fuel boils out of the fuel filter. The bigger the filter the bigger the trouble. Another thing, in case of an engine fire do not blow from the fire extinguisher into the cooling inlets at the front of the cowl. . That is against the hot air flow. Blow it into the exhaust of the cooling air at the bottom of the cowl. Regards, Jerzy On Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:02 PM, Graham Brighton wrote: Jerzy, Bloody heck ... so sorry to hear the crap news .. glad u weren't injured .., Graham .. From: jerzy krasinski Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:06 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 Mark, The left wing is intact. The right wing has a little smoke/fire damage to the paint on the very nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage. Seems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A little of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. The engine is Franklin 220HP. Jerzy http://www.matronics.com/================= http://www.matronics.c================== http://www.matro==================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:56 PM PST US From: Rob Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 was it an engine back fire that started it?.. A friend's RV6A caught fire just after he had topped off the tanks and was trying to startup. He got a back fire that started the fire. luckily he got it put out with minor damage inside the engine cowling. Rob On 02/05/2015 02:36 PM, jerzy krasinski wrote: > Graham, > > I am glad, too. > > Good to remember that the fire would not stop until all the fuel > boils out of the fuel filter. The bigger the filter the bigger the > trouble. > > Another thing, in case of an engine fire do not blow from the fire > extinguisher into the cooling inlets at the front of the cowl. . That > is against the hot air flow. Blow it into the exhaust of the cooling > air at the bottom of the cowl. > > Regards, > > Jerzy > > > On Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:02 PM, Graham Brighton > wrote: > > > Jerzy, > Bloody heck ... so sorry to hear the crap news .. glad u > weren't injured .., > Graham > . > > *From:* jerzy krasinski > *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2015 5:06 AM > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Fw: Fwd: Jerzy's TR4 > > Mark, > > The left wing is intact. > The right wing has a little smoke/fire damage to the paint on the very > nose of the airfoil within ~20" from the fuselage. > Seems to be no fiberglass damage there. It looks cosmetic. A little > of sanding of the damaged paint and one can put a new paint on it. > > The engine is Franklin 220HP. > > Jerzy > > > *http://www.matronics.com/================ > > * > > > *http://www.matronics.c================= > > * > > > *http://www.matro=================== > > * > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > * > > > * > > > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.