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1. 10:39 AM - Nose leg (malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk)
2. 11:46 AM - Re: Nose leg (Alfred Rosa)
3. 01:19 PM - Re: Nose leg (Tim Yoder)
4. 02:55 PM - Re: Nose leg (M Ketteing)
5. 03:32 PM - Re: Nose leg (Owen Baker)
6. 05:07 PM - Re: Nose leg (Tim Yoder)
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Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine
is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified
one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS)
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The original TR1 nose gear was
Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and
much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them.
Al Rosa
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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote:
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> Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine
is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a
modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS)
>
> Sent from my iPad
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You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with
Lyle's as Alfred suggested.
Tim SN #46 1993
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg
The original TR1 nose gear was
Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was
round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them.
Al Rosa
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote:
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> Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please .
Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought
out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm
(G-OKIS)
>
> Sent from my iPad
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The reason for the nose gear issues are not really due to it's strength. Actually
not at all. They are due to the main gear being too far back and this puts
far too much load on the nose gear. As designed and as most people have built
the KIS aircraft, the load on the nose gear is almost the same as that on one
main tire. Normal design practice would have the nose gear at about 10% of
the total weight not 33%. Most design texts say from a minimum of 5% (at max
aft CG) to maximum of 20%. Some aircraft even have restricted GC at higher gross
weights to help reduce the load on the nose wheel.
I also prefer to see a slightly longer main gear to have the aircraft sit slightly
nose down. This helps reduce the chance of landing nose gear first. The
nose gear is not at all for landing. Ever. It is only for holding the nose off
the ground when going slow or stopped.
Mark Kettering
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On Sat, 9/10/16, Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2016, 4:10 PM
"Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation.
I would go with
Lyle's as Alfred suggested.
Tim SN #46 1993
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg
The original TR1 nose gear was
Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The
later nose gear was
round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe
makes them.
Al Rosa
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk
wrote:
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>
> Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a
T. R. 1, please .
Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I
think they brought
out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks
Malcolm
(G-OKIS)
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>
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9/10/2016
Hello Malcolm, Lyle Hendricks is your man for a new KIS TR-1 nose gear leg.
See here:
http://www.hendricksmfg.com/
OC
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From: Tim Yoder
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg
You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with
Lyle's as Alfred suggested.
Tim SN #46 1993
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From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg
The original TR1 nose gear was
Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was
round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them.
Al Rosa
Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please .
Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought
out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm
(G-OKIS)
>
> Sent from my iPad
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That is true Mark but there was a design issue in the nose gear also. I had
the one where there were two triangular flat plate gussets welded to the
tube at the top of the gear, to add stiffness. The welds created a stress
point that caused the tube to crack and fail. I was lucky and found it
before it broke. I know of at least two that werent so lucky. I am sure the
excess weight on the nose gear hasened the failure,so we need a more robust
nose gear.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of M Ketteing
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg
The reason for the nose gear issues are not really due to it's strength.
Actually not at all. They are due to the main gear being too far back and
this puts far too much load on the nose gear. As designed and as most
people have built the KIS aircraft, the load on the nose gear is almost the
same as that on one main tire. Normal design practice would have the nose
gear at about 10% of the total weight not 33%. Most design texts say from a
minimum of 5% (at max aft CG) to maximum of 20%. Some aircraft even have
restricted GC at higher gross weights to help reduce the load on the nose
wheel.
I also prefer to see a slightly longer main gear to have the aircraft sit
slightly nose down. This helps reduce the chance of landing nose gear
first. The nose gear is not at all for landing. Ever. It is only for
holding the nose off the ground when going slow or stopped.
Mark Kettering
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On Sat, 9/10/16, Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2016, 4:10 PM
"Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation.
I would go with
Lyle's as Alfred suggested.
Tim SN #46 1993
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg
The original TR1 nose gear was
Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was
round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them.
Al Rosa
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk
wrote:
>
anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please .
Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought
out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm
(G-OKIS)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
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