---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/10/16: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:39 AM - Nose leg (malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk) 2. 11:46 AM - Re: Nose leg (Alfred Rosa) 3. 01:19 PM - Re: Nose leg (Tim Yoder) 4. 02:55 PM - Re: Nose leg (M Ketteing) 5. 03:32 PM - Re: Nose leg (Owen Baker) 6. 05:07 PM - Re: Nose leg (Tim Yoder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:39 AM PST US Subject: KIS-List: Nose leg From: malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg From: Alfred Rosa The original TR1 nose gear was Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them. Al Rosa Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:46 PM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with Lyle's as Alfred suggested. Tim SN #46 1993 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg The original TR1 nose gear was Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them. Al Rosa Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) > > Sent from my iPad > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:01 PM PST US From: M Ketteing Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg The reason for the nose gear issues are not really due to it's strength. Actually not at all. They are due to the main gear being too far back and this puts far too much load on the nose gear. As designed and as most people have built the KIS aircraft, the load on the nose gear is almost the same as that on one main tire. Normal design practice would have the nose gear at about 10% of the total weight not 33%. Most design texts say from a minimum of 5% (at max aft CG) to maximum of 20%. Some aircraft even have restricted GC at higher gross weights to help reduce the load on the nose wheel. I also prefer to see a slightly longer main gear to have the aircraft sit slightly nose down. This helps reduce the chance of landing nose gear first. The nose gear is not at all for landing. Ever. It is only for holding the nose off the ground when going slow or stopped. Mark Kettering -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/10/16, Tim Yoder wrote: Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, September 10, 2016, 4:10 PM "Tim Yoder" You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with Lyle's as Alfred suggested. Tim SN #46 1993 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg The original TR1 nose gear was Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them. Al Rosa Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) > > Sent from my iPad > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:08 PM PST US From: "Owen Baker " Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg 9/10/2016 Hello Malcolm, Lyle Hendricks is your man for a new KIS TR-1 nose gear leg. See here: http://www.hendricksmfg.com/ OC =========================================== From: Tim Yoder Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:10 PM Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with Lyle's as Alfred suggested. Tim SN #46 1993 ======================================================== From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg The original TR1 nose gear was Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them. Al Rosa Sent from my iPhone ===================================================== > On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) > > Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:26 PM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg That is true Mark but there was a design issue in the nose gear also. I had the one where there were two triangular flat plate gussets welded to the tube at the top of the gear, to add stiffness. The welds created a stress point that caused the tube to crack and fail. I was lucky and found it before it broke. I know of at least two that werent so lucky. I am sure the excess weight on the nose gear hasened the failure,so we need a more robust nose gear. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of M Ketteing Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:54 PM Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg The reason for the nose gear issues are not really due to it's strength. Actually not at all. They are due to the main gear being too far back and this puts far too much load on the nose gear. As designed and as most people have built the KIS aircraft, the load on the nose gear is almost the same as that on one main tire. Normal design practice would have the nose gear at about 10% of the total weight not 33%. Most design texts say from a minimum of 5% (at max aft CG) to maximum of 20%. Some aircraft even have restricted GC at higher gross weights to help reduce the load on the nose wheel. I also prefer to see a slightly longer main gear to have the aircraft sit slightly nose down. This helps reduce the chance of landing nose gear first. The nose gear is not at all for landing. Ever. It is only for holding the nose off the ground when going slow or stopped. Mark Kettering -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 9/10/16, Tim Yoder wrote: Subject: RE: KIS-List: Nose leg To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, September 10, 2016, 4:10 PM "Tim Yoder" You don't want the original!!!or even the second generation. I would go with Lyle's as Alfred suggested. Tim SN #46 1993 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alfred Rosa Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:45 AM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose leg The original TR1 nose gear was Streamline tubing that had disastrous results. The later nose gear was round and much stronger. Lyle Hendricks I believe makes them. Al Rosa Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, malcolm@thecleveleys.co.uk wrote: > anyone tell me where I can get a new gear leg for a T. R. 1, please . Mine is original (1992) and now needs to be replaced, I think they brought out a modified one in 1993 which was a lot stronger. Thanks Malcolm (G-OKIS) > > Sent from my iPad > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.