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2. 11:12 AM - Wheel pants? (Owen Baker)
3. 11:32 AM - Re: Lifting nose wheel? (Owen Baker)
4. 12:28 PM - Re: Wheel pants? (pastormac@comcast.net)
5. 08:16 PM - Re: Wheel pants? (Owen Baker)
6. 09:00 PM - Re: Wheel pants? (Graham Brighton)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants? |
The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft Spruce
wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the originals
but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft Spruce does
not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure that out, but
as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
The size of the original KIS Boots as Galin refers to them (after all as kids we
put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
10.5 Tall
6.5 Wide
29.5 Long
Wheel Opening:
5.75 Wide
14 Long
Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting bracket.
Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as landing
gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some did not.
Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear boot apart
and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to the builders
manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very similar
to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much more petite,
way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to split the
nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these
have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brackets. If you were
careful you might even be able to mount them without having to go through the
trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
MT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
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4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5
cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again
that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order
to purchase these items):
https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs.
Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge --
it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when
they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
Price = $175.00
3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
wheel pants is your job:
Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
Price = $375.00
4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
Price = $140.00
If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on
to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface between
that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg picture)
just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some
pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar
and send them to you.
OC
===================================
From: mark_trickel
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wheel pants?
The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft
Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the
originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft
Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to
figure that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
The size of the original KIS Boots as Galin refers to them (after all
as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
10.5 Tall
6.5 Wide
29.5 Long
Wheel Opening:
5.75 Wide
14 Long
Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting
bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as
landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some
did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear
boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to
the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft.
http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very
similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much
more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to
split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce
MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting
brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without
having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition
fairings.
MT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting nose wheel? |
4/2/2017
Hello Steve, Sorry for the late reply -- my ISP put a couple of your emails
in the Junk Mail folder and I just found them. I have added you to my
address list so maybe that won't happen again.
Here is what I do when I just want to lift the nose wheel off the ground for
maintenance purposes:
1) Place a low sturdy sawhorse under the tail and place a chunk of foam
rubber on the saw horse to cushion the bottom of the fuselage in the tail
area. A sturdy bucket may serve the same purpose as the sawhorse.
2) Place a folded bath towel on each side of the horizontal stabilizer right
next to the fuselage to protect the paint job.
3) Place weighted bags on both of the towels to force the fuselage tail down
onto the cushioned support and the nose wheel up into the air to work on.
I used to use 50 pound bags of limestone (which I would also use to weight
down my pickup truck bed in the winter), but now I use a bunch of doubled up
one gallon slider top plastic kitchen bags filled with sand. Much easier to
handle.
OC
====================================
From: pastormac@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:34 AM
Subject: Lifting nose wheel?
Hi Owen,
Thanks for the help. What's the best way to lift the nose wheel in order to
check the nose wheel?
Thanks!!
Steve
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants? |
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/2/2017
>
> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about desiring
to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5 cents (remainder
of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again that this is
not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>
> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below listed
items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order to purchase
these items):
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>
> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs. Do
not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge -- it won't
work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when they take
their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
>
> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
> Price = $175.00
>
> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel pants.
Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the wheel pants
is your job:
>
> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
> Price = $375.00
>
> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>
> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
> Price = $140.00
>
> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on to
create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface between that
fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg picture) just
let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some pictures of the
pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar and send them
to you.
>
> OC
>
> ===================================
>
> From: mark_trickel
> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wheel pants?
>
>
> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft Spruce
wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like the originals
but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft Spruce does
not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure that out,
but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
>
> The size of the original KIS Boots as Galin refers to them (after all as kids
we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows:
> 10.5 Tall
> 6.5 Wide
> 29.5 Long
> Wheel Opening:
> 5.75 Wide
> 14 Long
>
> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounting bracket.
Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well as landing
gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and some did not.
Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear boot apart
and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to the builders
manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
>
> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very similar
to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much more
petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to split the
nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these
have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brackets. If you
were careful you might even be able to mount them without having to go through
the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
>
> MT
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
> <100_0311.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants? |
4/2/2017
Hello Steve, You wrote: "I'm going to pursue getting them on!"
OK, here is what I did for the nose gear leg fairing:
1) I contacted Glasair, (360-435-8533) got assigned a customer number, and
ordered the two fiberglass pieces that are part of the Glastar / Sportsman
kit nose gear leg fairing. See here:
http://glasairaviation.com/
and here:
http://glasairaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GlaStarSportsman_Tech_Info_Kit_Contents_GA_-_Revised_Small.pdf
2) I acquired the pages from the Glastar builders manual and put together
the fairing. If you purchase those two pieces in 1 above I will mail you a
copy of those pages.
3) After a couple years of head scratching I put together my Glastar strut
fairing and my RV nose wheel pant. Pictures to follow.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
OC
===========================================
From: pastormac@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants?
Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
===================================================
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 4/2/2017
>
> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
> desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5
> cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again
> that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>
> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below
> listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order
> to purchase these items):
>
> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>
> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs.
> Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge --
> it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when
> they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
>
> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
> Price = $175.00
>
> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel
> pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the
> wheel pants is your job:
>
> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
> Price = $375.00
>
> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>
> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
> Price = $140.00
>
> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue on
> to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface
> between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached
> 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still
> intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time I
> get out to the hangar and send them to you.
>
> OC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants? |
Howdy .... My Flat bar Main Gear Hoop jack
Sent from my iPad
> On 3 Apr 2017, at 5:26 AM, pastormac@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on!
>
> To our success, Stephen McIntosh
>
>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> 4/2/2017
>>
>> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment about
desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my 01.5 cen
ts (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add again that t
his is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project.
>>
>> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below l
isted items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in order to
purchase these items):
>>
>> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519
&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants
>>
>> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut legs
. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing edge --
it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people use when t
hey take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to fly:
>>
>> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair).
>> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT
>> Price = $175.00
>>
>> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel pa
nts. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the wheel
pants is your job:
>>
>> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear
>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT
>> Price = $375.00
>>
>> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant:
>>
>> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear
>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE
>> Price = $140.00
>>
>> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue o
n to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface betwe
en that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached 100_0311.jpg pictu
re) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still intend to take some pic
tures of the pants off the airplane the next time I get out to the hangar an
d send them to you.
>>
>> OC
>>
>> =========================
>>
>> From: mark_trickel
>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wheel pants?
>>
>>
>> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to Aircraft
Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not exactly like th
e originals but should work if you have some fabricating ability. Aircraft S
pruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you are on your own to figure
that out, but as owners of experimental aircraft that is what we do.
>>
>> The size of the original KIS =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Boots=C3=A2=82=AC=C2
=9D as Galin refers to them (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and
play) are as follows:
>> 10.5=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Tall
>> 6.5=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Wide
>> 29.5 =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93 Long
>> Wheel Opening:
>> 5.75=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Wide
>> 14=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D Long
>>
>> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and mounti
ng bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment brackets as well a
s landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some builders did, and som
e did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) had to cut the nose gear
boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. Vance issued a supplement to
the builders manual in a newsletter depicting how this should be done.
>>
>> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. htt
p://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47
>> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are very
similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but are much
more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would not have to
split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the Aircraft Spruce
MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also supply mounting brack
ets. If you were careful you might even be able to mount them without having
to go through the trouble of fabricating gear leg, and transition fairings.
>>
>> MT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952
>> <100_0311.jpg>
>
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