---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/03/17: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - Re: Wheel pants? (Graham Brighton) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Wheel pants? (Mike Pienaar) 3. 09:22 AM - Re: Wheel pants? (Rob) 4. 01:16 PM - Washer at the top (pastormac@comcast.net) 5. 08:17 PM - Re: Washer at the top (Owen Baker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:05 AM PST US From: "Graham Brighton" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? Oh .. and the how it works .. ( tried before .. not sure if this is a repeat send or ?) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham Brighton" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:55 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? > Howdy .... My Flat bar Main Gear Hoop jack > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 5:26 AM, pastormac@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on! >> >> To our success, Stephen McIntosh >> >>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker wrote: >>> >>> 4/2/2017 >>> >>> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment >>> about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my >>> 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add >>> again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project. >>> >>> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below >>> listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in >>> order to purchase these items): >>> >>> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants >>> >>> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut >>> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing >>> edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people >>> use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to >>> fly: >>> >>> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair). >>> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT >>> Price = $175.00 >>> >>> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel >>> pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the >>> wheel pants is your job: >>> >>> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear >>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT >>> Price = $375.00 >>> >>> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant: >>> >>> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear >>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE >>> Price = $140.00 >>> >>> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue >>> on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface >>> between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached >>> 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still >>> intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time >>> I get out to the hangar and send them to you. >>> >>> OC >>> >>> =========================>> >>> From: mark_trickel >>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM >>> To: kis-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wheel pants? >>> >>> >>> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to >>> Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not >>> exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating >>> ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you >>> are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental >>> aircraft that is what we do. >>> >>> The size of the original KIS ,"Boots, as Galin refers to them >>> (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows: >>> 10.5, Tall >>> 6.5, Wide >>> 29.5 ," Long >>> Wheel Opening: >>> 5.75, Wide >>> 14, Long >>> >>> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and >>> mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment >>> brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some >>> builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) >>> had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. >>> Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter >>> depicting how this should be done. >>> >>> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. >>> http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47 >>> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are >>> very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but >>> are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would >>> not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the >>> Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also >>> supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to >>> mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear >>> leg, and transition fairings. >>> >>> MT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952 >>> <100_0311.jpg> >> >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:49 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: RE: KIS-List: Wheel pants? Wow! that is clever Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Brighton Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 1:03 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? Oh .. and the how it works .. ( tried before .. not sure if this is a repeat send or ?) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham Brighton" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:55 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? > Howdy .... My Flat bar Main Gear Hoop jack > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 5:26 AM, pastormac@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on! >> >> To our success, Stephen McIntosh >> >>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker wrote: >>> >>> 4/2/2017 >>> >>> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment >>> about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add my >>> 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me also add >>> again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project. >>> >>> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the below >>> listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV aircraft in >>> order to purchase these items): >>> >>> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&brow se=airframe&product=wheel-pants >>> >>> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut >>> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the trailing >>> edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the glider people >>> use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer and assemble it to >>> fly: >>> >>> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair). >>> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT >>> Price = $175.00 >>> >>> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear wheel >>> pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing into the >>> wheel pants is your job: >>> >>> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear >>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT >>> Price = $375.00 >>> >>> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant: >>> >>> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear >>> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE >>> Price = $140.00 >>> >>> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to continue >>> on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and an interface >>> between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the attached >>> 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on you. I still >>> intend to take some pictures of the pants off the airplane the next time >>> I get out to the hangar and send them to you. >>> >>> OC >>> >>> =========================>> >>> From: mark_trickel >>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:03 PM >>> To: kis-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: KIS-List: Re: Wheel pants? >>> >>> >>> The original Wheel fairings supplied by Rich are very similar to >>> Aircraft Spruce wheel fairing MF-4 part number 05-01218. This is not >>> exactly like the originals but should work if you have some fabricating >>> ability. Aircraft Spruce does not supply any attachment brackets, you >>> are on your own to figure that out, but as owners of experimental >>> aircraft that is what we do. >>> >>> The size of the original KIS ,"Boots, as Galin refers to them >>> (after all as kids we put on boots to go out and play) are as follows: >>> 10.5, Tall >>> 6.5, Wide >>> 29.5 ," Long >>> Wheel Opening: >>> 5.75, Wide >>> 14, Long >>> >>> Richard also supplied a inside cover that covered the Gear leg and >>> mounting bracket. Builders had to fabricate their own attachment >>> brackets as well as landing gear leg and transition fairings, which some >>> builders did, and some did not. Builders also (to the best I can recall) >>> had to cut the nose gear boot apart and fashion their own joggle joint. >>> Vance issued a supplement to the builders manual in a newsletter >>> depicting how this should be done. >>> >>> Another excellent choice would be a set of boots from James Aircraft. >>> http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47 >>> You must call this guy on the phone, he is not electronic. These are >>> very similar to the RV boots (OC has a set of RV boots on his TR-1) but >>> are much more petite, way cooler, and probably more efficient. You would >>> not have to split the nose gear boot down the center like you would the >>> Aircraft Spruce MF-4s, these have front and back halves. JA may also >>> supply mounting brackets. If you were careful you might even be able to >>> mount them without having to go through the trouble of fabricating gear >>> leg, and transition fairings. >>> >>> MT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467952#467952 >>> <100_0311.jpg> >> >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? From: Rob OC, I was wondering, with the wheel pants etc, did you see any improvement in speed at cruise and max throttle? If so what was the difference from speed without wheel pants etc. Rob On 04/02/2017 08:13 PM, Owen Baker wrote: > > 4/2/2017 > > Hello Steve, You wrote: "I'm going to pursue getting them on!" > > OK, here is what I did for the nose gear leg fairing: > > 1) I contacted Glasair, (360-435-8533) got assigned a customer number, > and ordered the two fiberglass pieces that are part of the Glastar / > Sportsman kit nose gear leg fairing. See here: > > http://glasairaviation.com/ > > and here: > > http://glasairaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GlaStarSportsman_Tech_Info_Kit_Contents_GA_-_Revised_Small.pdf > > > 2) I acquired the pages from the Glastar builders manual and put > together the fairing. If you purchase those two pieces in 1 above I > will mail you a copy of those pages. > > 3) After a couple years of head scratching I put together my Glastar > strut fairing and my RV nose wheel pant. Pictures to follow. > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > OC > > =========================================== > > From: pastormac@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:26 PM > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wheel pants? > > > Thank you! I'm going to pursue getting them on! > > To our success, Stephen McIntosh > > =================================================== > >> On Apr 2, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Owen Baker wrote: >> >> 4/2/2017 >> >> Hello Steve, You are continuing to get input regarding your comment >> about desiring to put wheel pants on your airplane. Please let me add >> my 01.5 cents (remainder of 02.0 cents to follow -- maybe). Let me >> also add again that this is not a trivial, bolt them on and go, project. >> >> 1) Here is the Van's Aircraft web site where you can purchase the >> below listed items (you don't have to be building or own an RV >> aircraft in order to purchase these items): >> >> https://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1491153716-334-519&browse=airframe&product=wheel-pants >> >> >> 2) This pair of items will fair the KIS TR-1 main landing gear strut >> legs. Do not attempt to use the hinge pin method of closing the >> trailing edge -- it won't work. I use the same white tape that the >> glider people use when they take their sailplane out of the trailer >> and assemble it to fly: >> >> Fiberglass fairings for the RV-8 flat bar main gear legs (per pair). >> Part Number = GEAR LEG FAIRING FLAT >> Price = $175.00 >> >> 3) Here is almost everything you need for your main landing gear >> wheel pants. Creating the lower end of the landing gear strut fairing >> into the wheel pants is your job: >> >> Wheel pants for RV-8 flat bar gear >> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,PRFLT >> Price = $375.00 >> >> 4) Here is what you need for the nose wheel pant: >> >> Wheel pant for 6A/7A/8A/9A Nose Gear >> Part Number = WHL FAIRING KIT,NOSE >> Price = $140.00 >> >> If you have not been thoroughly intimidated by now and want to >> continue on to create a fairing for the nose landing gear strut and >> an interface between that fairing and the nose wheel pant (see the >> attached 100_0311.jpg picture) just let me know and I'll lay it on >> you. I still intend to take some pictures of the pants off the >> airplane the next time I get out to the hangar and send them to you. >> >> OC >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:19 PM PST US From: pastormac@comcast.net Subject: KIS-List: Washer at the top Hi Guys, I finally received my Belleville washers! Do I need a washer at the top. I i ncluded two pics. I noticed my noise gear is wearing where the washers go on . Thanks! To our success, Stephen McIntosh ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:29 PM PST US From: "Owen Baker " Subject: Re: KIS-List: Washer at the top 4/3/2017 Hello Steve, I think that it is very desirable to have a thin flat nylon washer next to the aluminum shoe both on the top and the bottom. OC =============================== From: pastormac@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 4:15 PM Subject: KIS-List: Washer at the top Hi Guys, I finally received my Belleville washers! Do I need a washer at the top. I included two pics. I noticed my noise gear is wearing where the washers go on. Thanks! 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