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Subject: | Re: Baggage station for W&B |
5/5/2017
Hello Keith, Thanks for the follow up. You wrote:
1) "... what has become obvious for me know, is that it is not possible to
build
the KIS without the wing positioning jig drawing/template, as no dimensions
is given for the rear spar position...."
I guess that I am in a particularly unknowing status on the subject of rear
spar positioning because no drawing or template
was included in my kit. The reason for that is that I had the factory build
a "quick build" fuselage bottom for me so the insert locations
for the wing spars and landing gear were already finished when my fuselage
arrived. Some one must have decided that providing
a drawing to me for a wing positioning jig to prepare the fuselage would be
a waste since I had no need for the jig.**
2) "I am also never going to build another plane again...."
What I find pretty sad as I contemplate that fact for me is that both the
knowledge packed into my little pea brain and all of the
materials and tools that I still have left over will probably never be used
by some unknown future airplane builder, but instead will be scattered to
the
winds or sent to a land fill.
OC
**PS: There is a real gotcha story associated with my KIS TR-1 fuselage.
Somewhere along the line someone at Tri-R decided to change the amount of
overlap
between the fuselage sides tops and the bottoms as they progressed from
creating the two place fuselages to creating the four place fuselages. The
result was some confusion and my fuselage top and bottom as first received
were mismatched and could not be glued together. So Rich shipped to me a new
fuselage
top and had me return ship the first one back to him, both at his cost. Any
profit gained from selling my kit to me must have been lost in the
additional shipment costs
that Rich paid.
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From: Keith.Miller@esa.int
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: Baggage station for W&B
OC
what has become obvious for me know, is that it is not possible to build
the KIS without the wing positioning jig drawing/template, as no dimensions
is given for the rear spar position, Rich/ Vance/ Whoever must have simply
worked out, based on the rear wing rib dimensions and thickness of the
rear
wing spars where exactly the aft face of the wing spar would have been
and
made that drawing accordingly .
I remember at the time being quite impressed when i offered up the wing to
the fuselage for the first time, that the gap was negligible at the
interface between the rear spar of the wing and the rear space in the
fuselage.
have concluded however ( even without taking the measurements) that i need
to use a STA for the baggage further back than STA 91 ( i wonder where i
got
this figure as it also was the same one in the original thread- too much of
a
coincidence- and not a logical point, since it has to be at least in the
range of STA 95 - STA 100.
Keith
PS I am also never going to build another plane again ( done that twice
and
got the T shirt and cant understand now where i ever got the time to
complete them etc ).
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Subject: | Rebuilding KIS TR-1 N78AK |
I am in the long process of rebuilding my TR-1 and have been making a few changes.
I removed the seat bulkhead and am using my carbon seat backs I made years ago
and adding recline. It is absolutely amazing! I can recline to about 80 degrees!
Super comfortable. More so than domestic first class with no risk of loosing
your seat. I would have no problem sleeping for hours. Very open and roomy.
It also makes getting to the luggage area very nice with the seat backs folded
forward. No need for a baggage door at all. Of course you can't recline
fully if the baggage area is full. I did move the baggage bulkhead back a little
and made it a real ring bulkhead with removable cover.
To replace the structure of the seat back bulkhead I am adding a carbon full flat
hoop bulkhead where the seat backs were. At the same time I am adding a flat
carbon hoop at the front of the door opening and carbon on the roof between
these two hoops. It will add more rollover protection and stiffen up the roof
where the door hinges mount.
I also lowered the added floor under the rudder pedals about an inch and made new
rudder pedals with the outboard ones turning outboard and the rudder cables
now along the fuselage side instead of in the center. This eliminates the need
for any center console or obstruction in front of the seats.
These changes really change the whole feel and character of the airplane from being
a bit cramped and not very comfortable for long flights to being fairly roomy
and comfortable.
Mark K
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