---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/05/17: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: Baggage station for W&B (Owen Baker) 2. 06:21 AM - Rebuilding KIS TR-1 N78AK (M Ketteing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:20 AM PST US From: "Owen Baker " Subject: KIS-List: Re: Baggage station for W&B 5/5/2017 Hello Keith, Thanks for the follow up. You wrote: 1) "... what has become obvious for me know, is that it is not possible to build the KIS without the wing positioning jig drawing/template, as no dimensions is given for the rear spar position...." I guess that I am in a particularly unknowing status on the subject of rear spar positioning because no drawing or template was included in my kit. The reason for that is that I had the factory build a "quick build" fuselage bottom for me so the insert locations for the wing spars and landing gear were already finished when my fuselage arrived. Some one must have decided that providing a drawing to me for a wing positioning jig to prepare the fuselage would be a waste since I had no need for the jig.** 2) "I am also never going to build another plane again...." What I find pretty sad as I contemplate that fact for me is that both the knowledge packed into my little pea brain and all of the materials and tools that I still have left over will probably never be used by some unknown future airplane builder, but instead will be scattered to the winds or sent to a land fill. OC **PS: There is a real gotcha story associated with my KIS TR-1 fuselage. Somewhere along the line someone at Tri-R decided to change the amount of overlap between the fuselage sides tops and the bottoms as they progressed from creating the two place fuselages to creating the four place fuselages. The result was some confusion and my fuselage top and bottom as first received were mismatched and could not be glued together. So Rich shipped to me a new fuselage top and had me return ship the first one back to him, both at his cost. Any profit gained from selling my kit to me must have been lost in the additional shipment costs that Rich paid. ==================================== From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 4:07 AM Subject: Re: Baggage station for W&B OC what has become obvious for me know, is that it is not possible to build the KIS without the wing positioning jig drawing/template, as no dimensions is given for the rear spar position, Rich/ Vance/ Whoever must have simply worked out, based on the rear wing rib dimensions and thickness of the rear wing spars where exactly the aft face of the wing spar would have been and made that drawing accordingly . I remember at the time being quite impressed when i offered up the wing to the fuselage for the first time, that the gap was negligible at the interface between the rear spar of the wing and the rear space in the fuselage. have concluded however ( even without taking the measurements) that i need to use a STA for the baggage further back than STA 91 ( i wonder where i got this figure as it also was the same one in the original thread- too much of a coincidence- and not a logical point, since it has to be at least in the range of STA 95 - STA 100. Keith PS I am also never going to build another plane again ( done that twice and got the T shirt and cant understand now where i ever got the time to complete them etc ). ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:17 AM PST US From: M Ketteing Subject: KIS-List: Rebuilding KIS TR-1 N78AK I am in the long process of rebuilding my TR-1 and have been making a few changes. I removed the seat bulkhead and am using my carbon seat backs I made years ago and adding recline. It is absolutely amazing! I can recline to about 80 degrees! Super comfortable. More so than domestic first class with no risk of loosing your seat. I would have no problem sleeping for hours. Very open and roomy. It also makes getting to the luggage area very nice with the seat backs folded forward. No need for a baggage door at all. Of course you can't recline fully if the baggage area is full. I did move the baggage bulkhead back a little and made it a real ring bulkhead with removable cover. To replace the structure of the seat back bulkhead I am adding a carbon full flat hoop bulkhead where the seat backs were. At the same time I am adding a flat carbon hoop at the front of the door opening and carbon on the roof between these two hoops. It will add more rollover protection and stiffen up the roof where the door hinges mount. I also lowered the added floor under the rudder pedals about an inch and made new rudder pedals with the outboard ones turning outboard and the rudder cables now along the fuselage side instead of in the center. This eliminates the need for any center console or obstruction in front of the seats. These changes really change the whole feel and character of the airplane from being a bit cramped and not very comfortable for long flights to being fairly roomy and comfortable. 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