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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 (Keith.Miller@esa.int)
2. 07:28 AM - Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 (pastormac@comcast.net)
3. 08:26 AM - Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 (Alfred Rosa)
4. 12:20 PM - Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 (Galin Hernandez)
5. 01:03 PM - Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 (Owen Baker)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 |
On the subject of access to the brake master cylinders , I installed an
access panel in the underside of the fuselage , makes getting to the various
bolts and tubes , much easier
(See attached file: Dscf0225.jpg)
From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1
Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
Thank you BOTH...You two old farts make me feel almost young at just
70. ;-))))
That is until I get out to the hangar and it's 99 degrees and I am trying to
climb into the back of the fuselage to install some controls. BUT, as the
attached photo shows...where there's a will there's a way. Not the most
effective but lowered the temp from 95 degrees to miserable 84 degrees on the
inside. My wife always wanted "Air Conditioning" in the plane.
Good luck Rob and take care of yourself Owen.
Bob Reed
From: Owen C Baker <bakerocb@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1
6/26/2017
On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Rob <punchy@frontiernet.net> wrote:
OC, sorry to hear about hospital. No fun there. Hope you get better and out
as soon as possible.
Thanks.
My ladder collapsed while climbing off the roof a few years ago and I
broke my hip in two places as well as 6 ribs.
I spent a week in the hospital and then 3 week in a 24/7 rehab, so I
know about that stuff.
I know that the geometry etc is a problem, but I can handle that ok.
If you still have the original kit provided pedals I don't agree.
I am 78 YO and no longer am able to get down inside and under that
panel to reach the the master cylinders etc.
That is when you get help. Pay an A&P if needed or ask a mechanical friend.
I just want to replace all the parts that are on the outside.
Even the wheels are ok so I don't need to replace them unless I go to
Grove.
How hard is it to replace the calipers, brake pads, and rotors?
Same as when you built the plane if you stay with MATCO.
Would I gain anything if I did that with Grove parts?
Installing Grove parts will require extensive removal of metal from KIS
landing gear legs at the bottom.
Would Grove wheels, calipers, brake pads and rotors work with the
existing Matco master cylinders?
Yes, but see immediately above.
I would like to get this bird back in the air before I get much older
Understand.
Any help with question above would be appreciated.
Rob
OC
PS: I am 84 years old.
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On 06/26/2017 03:00 AM, Owen C Baker wrote:
6/26/2017
Hello Again Rob, Why exclude the master cylinders in the cockpit? The quality
of those cylinders and expanding the size of the brake pedals is essential.
OC
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On Jun 26, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Owen C Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
6/27/2017
Hello Rob, I am in hospital right now -- spaced out on drugs.
Go to KIS archive search. Search for this subject in my posts.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
OC
Sent from my iPad
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On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
OC is bakerocb@cox.net
Tim
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for K
I guess I need to talk to OC.
OC if you are out there I need to talk to you about replacing the existing
matco brake assembly on the
KIS TR1. That is to say: the brake calipers, the brake pads, and the rotors
Rob
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On 06/25/2017 06:06 PM, Alfred Rosa wrote:
You need O.C. Baker's input. He replaced his with Grove brakes
and got much better results.
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Rob <punchy@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
Anybody have experience in installing or replacing the matco
brake assembly on the KIS TR1? I am in need of replacing the
complete assembly and brakes (exclusive of the master cyl) on
my 1997 KIS TR1
Need any input as to parts needed and how to (lessons learned
would be also appreciated)
Located in Saint Johns, AZ , KSJN
Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 |
Keith, the pic didn't cone through. Could you please send again?
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Keith.Miller@esa.int wrote:
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> jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 |
You have to scroll all the way down past all messages to reach the pic.
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:28 AM, pastormac@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> Keith, the pic didn't cone through. Could you please send again?
>
> To our success, Stephen McIntosh
>
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Keith.Miller@esa.int wrote:
>>
>> jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 |
I just get my skinny, 28yr old, A&P son-in-law to crawl down there and do
the work for me while I have a beer. :)
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 7:53 AM, <Keith.Miller@esa.int> wrote:
> On the subject of access to the brake master cylinders , I installed an
> access panel in the underside of the fuselage , makes getting to the
> various
> bolts and tubes , much easier
> (See attached file: Dscf0225.jpg)
>
>
> From: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> To: "kis-list@matronics.com" <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 06/26/2017 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1
> Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
>
>
> Thank you BOTH...You two old farts make me feel almost young at just
> 70. ;-))))
>
> That is until I get out to the hangar and it's 99 degrees and I am trying
> to
> climb into the back of the fuselage to install some controls. BUT, as the
> attached photo shows...where there's a will there's a way. Not the most
> effective but lowered the temp from 95 degrees to miserable 84 degrees on
> the
> inside. My wife always wanted "Air Conditioning" in the plane.
>
>
> Good luck Rob and take care of yourself Owen.
>
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
> From: Owen C Baker <bakerocb@cox.net>
> To: Rob <punchy@frontiernet.net>; kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1
>
> 6/26/2017
>
> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:54 AM, Rob <punchy@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> OC, sorry to hear about hospital. No fun there. Hope you get better and
> out
> as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks.
>
> My ladder collapsed while climbing off the roof a few years ago and I
> broke my hip in two places as well as 6 ribs.
> I spent a week in the hospital and then 3 week in a 24/7 rehab, so I
> know about that stuff.
>
> I know that the geometry etc is a problem, but I can handle that ok.
>
> If you still have the original kit provided pedals I don't agree.
>
> I am 78 YO and no longer am able to get down inside and under that
> panel to reach the the master cylinders etc.
>
> That is when you get help. Pay an A&P if needed or ask a mechanical friend.
>
> I just want to replace all the parts that are on the outside.
>
> Even the wheels are ok so I don't need to replace them unless I go to
> Grove.
>
> How hard is it to replace the calipers, brake pads, and rotors?
>
> Same as when you built the plane if you stay with MATCO.
>
> Would I gain anything if I did that with Grove parts?
>
> Installing Grove parts will require extensive removal of metal from KIS
> landing gear legs at the bottom.
>
> Would Grove wheels, calipers, brake pads and rotors work with the
> existing Matco master cylinders?
>
> Yes, but see immediately above.
>
> I would like to get this bird back in the air before I get much older
>
> Understand.
>
> Any help with question above would be appreciated.
>
> Rob
>
> OC
>
> PS: I am 84 years old.
>
> -------------------------
>
> On 06/26/2017 03:00 AM, Owen C Baker wrote:
> 6/26/2017
>
> Hello Again Rob, Why exclude the master cylinders in the cockpit? The
> quality
> of those cylinders and expanding the size of the brake pedals is essential.
>
> OC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> On Jun 26, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Owen C Baker <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 6/27/2017
>
> Hello Rob, I am in hospital right now -- spaced out on drugs.
>
> Go to KIS archive search. Search for this subject in my posts.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> OC
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ---------------
>
> On Jun 25, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
>
> OC is bakerocb@cox.net
>
> Tim
>
> From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:59 PM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Matco Brake assembly for K
>
> I guess I need to talk to OC.
>
> OC if you are out there I need to talk to you about replacing the existing
> matco brake assembly on the
> KIS TR1. That is to say: the brake calipers, the brake pads, and the
> rotors
>
> Rob
>
> ----------------
>
> On 06/25/2017 06:06 PM, Alfred Rosa wrote:
> You need O.C. Baker's input. He replaced his with Grove brakes
> and got much better results.
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Rob <punchy@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
> Anybody have experience in installing or replacing the matco
> brake assembly on the KIS TR1? I am in need of replacing the
> complete assembly and brakes (exclusive of the master cyl) on
> my 1997 KIS TR1
>
>
> Need any input as to parts needed and how to (lessons learned
> would be also appreciated)
>
>
> Located in Saint Johns, AZ , KSJN
>
>
> Rob
>
>
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| Subject: | Matco Brake assembly for KIS TR1 |
7/10/2017
Hello Rob, You wrote: I know that the geometry etc is a problem, but I can
handle that ok.
And I wrote: If you still have the original kit provided pedals I don't
agree.
See the two attached pictures to see how I solved the pedal problem. I
riveted two rather large pieces of aluminum angel to the front of the
original pedals. This provides a significant improvement in pedal leverage
and the resulting higher brake fluid pressure at the wheels.
The side angles make a perfect place to keep the outside edge of both shoes
against so that you know where your feet are with regard to the brake /
rudder pedals at all times.
OC
PS: I have had people in the left seat of my plane (only side that has
brakes) and when the engine started the plane just spun around like a top
with all left brake and no right brake. They had made the mistaken
assumption the pedals had to be straight ahead of the seat and just plunked
their feet down accordingly. The KIS TR-1 pedals however are not directly in
front of the seats, but instead are offset a bit toward the airplane center
line. This offset is caused by the cross rudder pedal bars being too short.
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