---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/18/17: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:47 AM - Control movements Aileron (Robert Reed) 2. 08:57 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (M Ketteing) 3. 09:23 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Robert Reed) 4. 09:29 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Alfred Rosa) 5. 10:03 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Ed Hanson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:23 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron To TR-4 builders The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 degrees. Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? Bob Reed Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:32 AM PST US From: M Ketteing Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron Many builders remove the inner skin in the local area to give the counterweight (and aileron) a little more movement. Some also reshape the counterweight so that there is more movement before it hits. Mark K. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 8/18/17, Robert Reed wrote: Subject: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, August 18, 2017, 11:47 AM Reed To TR-4 builders The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 degrees. Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? Bob Reed Sent from my iPad The KIS-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse List Un/Subscription, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - via the Web Forums! - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - Email List Wiki! - List Contribution Web Site - support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:40 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron Monumental Brain Fart!!! Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I was calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would give a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel? Bob Reed Sent from my iPad > On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: > > > To TR-4 builders > > The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 degrees. > > Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? > > Bob Reed > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:29 AM PST US From: Alfred Rosa Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron I always thought the aileron travel was woefully inadequate. > On Aug 18, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: > > > To TR-4 builders > > The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 degrees. > > Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? > > Bob Reed > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:50 AM PST US From: "Ed Hanson" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. This plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Reed" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > Monumental Brain Fart!!! > > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? > > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I was > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would give > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel? > > Bob Reed > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >> >> >> To TR-4 builders >> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 >> degrees. >> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? >> >> Bob Reed >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.