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1. 10:52 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Bill Schertz)
2. 11:43 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (M Ketteing)
3. 04:42 PM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Robert Reed)
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost
imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have
adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Hanson
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see
what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. This
plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>
> Monumental Brain Fart!!!
>
> Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat?
>
> Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I
> had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was
> using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to
> add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I was
> calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would give
> a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel?
>
> Bob Reed
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To TR-4 builders
>>
>> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12
>> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated
>> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both
>> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12
>> degrees.
>>
>> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
>> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons?
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
Keep in mind that full aileron control is not really for daily use but is more
for when you are on short final and get hit my a micro-burst or wake turbulence
that puts you on your side. At that moment only full and powerful aileron control
will save your life.
I was once on an under 1 mile final into SMO and a large slow moving military helicopter
crossed right to left in front of and a little above me. As I hit the
wake I was rolled about 90 degrees and needed full aileron to recover. This
was in a Grumman Tiger before I got my first KIS.
Mark K
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On Sat, 8/19/17, Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2017, 1:52 PM
Schertz" <wschertz343@gmail.com>
Been a long time since measuring the
travel, but when flying, almost
imperceptible changes in aileron make
you turn smartly. I think you have
adequate travel. I don't think I have
ever used full aileron travel
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Hanson
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control
movements Aileron
Hanson" <hansoncp@netnitco.net>
I'll have to dig thru my builders notes
next time I'm at the hangar to see
what I noted but I'm not having any
problem with aileron effectiveness. This
plane is not a fighter just a nice
cruiser.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net>
To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control
movements Aileron
Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>
> Monumental Brain Fart!!!
>
> Can I blame it all on the 100
degree heat?
>
> Visually I kept looking at the up
vs down movement and they looked like I
> had more than enough upward
travel. Well I was not seeing things but was
> using a smart level that was a lot
smarter than it's user. I had failed to
> add in the difference between the
neutral position and zero degrees. I was
> calculating the difference.
It turns out that my actual number would give
> a 11.4 degree minimum on down with
more on up. Will that be enough travel?
>
> Bob Reed
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM,
Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
wrote:
>>
>> --> KIS-List message posted
by: Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
>>
>> To TR-4 builders
>>
>> The specifications for the
ailerons indicates control movement of +12
>> & -12 degrees of
movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated
>> approx +7 & -11 degrees
with slightly higher on right wing. Both
>> ailerons have the counter
weight hitting before reaching the desired 12
>> degrees.
>>
>> Can some of you check your
numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
>> directions. Did you
fully balance both ailerons?
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't have
any worries.
Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings.=C2-
Making good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining fo
r a feels like in the 105 to 107 range.=C2- Hotter than that inside the h
angar.=C2-
Bob Reed
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com>
To: kis-list@matronics.com=C2-
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost
imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have
adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Hanson
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see
what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. Thi
s
plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>
> Monumental Brain Fart!!!
>
> Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat?
>
> Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I
> had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was
> using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed t
o
> add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I wa
s
> calculating the difference.=C2- It turns out that my actual number woul
d give
> a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel
?
>
> Bob Reed
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To TR-4 builders
>>
>> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12
>> & -12 degrees of movement.=C2- I just mounted both ailerons and calcul
ated
>> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing.=C2- Both
>> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12
>> degrees.
>>
>> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
>> directions.=C2- Did you fully balance both ailerons?
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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