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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Galin Hernandez)
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated:
"This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser."
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
> Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't have
> any worries.
>
> Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings.
> Making good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining
> for a feels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the
> hangar.
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com
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> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
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> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wschertz343@gmail.com');>>
>
> Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost
> imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have
> adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Hanson
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
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> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hansoncp@netnitco.net');>>
>
> I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see
> what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness.
> This
> plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertr237@att.net');>>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com
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> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>
>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertr237@att.net');>>
> >
> > Monumental Brain Fart!!!
> >
> > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat?
> >
> > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like
> I
> > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was
> > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed
> to
> > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I
> was
> > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would
> give
> > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough
> travel?
> >
> > Bob Reed
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertr237@att.net');>> wrote:
> >>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robertr237@att.net');>>
> >>
> >> To TR-4 builders
> >>
> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12
> >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated
> >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both
> >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12
> >> degrees.
> >>
> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
> >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons?
> >>
> >> Bob Reed
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
Has anyone done extreme forward slips with full rudder and opposite ailerons
.
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated: "
This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser."
>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't hav
e any worries.
>>
>> Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings. Mak
ing good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining for a f
eels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the hangar.
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>>
>> From: Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com>
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost
>> imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have
>> adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Hanson
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to se
e
>> what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. T
his
>> plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net>
>> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Monumental Brain Fart!!!
>> >
>> > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat?
>> >
>> > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like
I
>> > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but wa
s
>> > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed
to
>> > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I w
as
>> > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would g
ive
>> > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough trav
el?
>> >
>> > Bob Reed
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To TR-4 builders
>> >>
>> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12
>> >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculate
d
>> >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both
>> >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 1
2
>> >> degrees.
>> >>
>> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
>> >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons?
>> >>
>> >> Bob Reed
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Control movements Aileron |
I have, not very often but have done them in a KIS4. Full rudder and a
significant amount of aileron. HOWEVER, I never do them above 96KIAS. YMMV
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On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone done extreme forward slips with full rudder and opposite
> ailerons.
>
> On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated:
> "This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser."
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't
>> have any worries.
>>
>> Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings.
>> Making good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining
>> for a feels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the
>> hangar.
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com>
>> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost
>> imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have
>> adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Hanson
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see
>> what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness.
>> This
>> plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Reed" <robertr237@att.net>
>> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Monumental Brain Fart!!!
>> >
>> > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat?
>> >
>> > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like
>> I
>> > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but
>> was
>> > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed
>> to
>> > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I
>> was
>> > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would
>> give
>> > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough
>> travel?
>> >
>> > Bob Reed
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To TR-4 builders
>> >>
>> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12
>> >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and
>> calculated
>> >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both
>> >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired
>> 12
>> >> degrees.
>> >>
>> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both
>> >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons?
>> >>
>> >> Bob Reed
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
>> -
>> http://forums.matr - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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