---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/20/17: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Galin Hernandez) 2. 06:26 AM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Alfred Rosa) 3. 06:27 PM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:58 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated: "This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser." On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed wrote: > Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't have > any worries. > > Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings. > Making good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining > for a feels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the > hangar. > > Bob Reed > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bill Schertz > > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > > > > Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost > imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have > adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Hanson > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM > To: kis-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > > > > I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see > what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. > This > plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Reed" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > > > > > > > Monumental Brain Fart!!! > > > > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? > > > > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like > I > > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was > > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed > to > > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I > was > > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would > give > > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough > travel? > > > > Bob Reed > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> To TR-4 builders > >> > >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 > >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated > >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both > >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 > >> degrees. > >> > >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both > >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? > >> > >> Bob Reed > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matr - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > http://wiki.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:25 AM PST US From: Alfred Rosa Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron Has anyone done extreme forward slips with full rudder and opposite ailerons . > On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Galin Hernandez wrote: > > I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated: " This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser." > >> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed wrote: >> Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't hav e any worries. >> >> Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings. Mak ing good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining for a f eels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the hangar. >> >> Bob Reed >> >> >> From: Bill Schertz >> To: kis-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost >> imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have >> adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ed Hanson >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM >> To: kis-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to se e >> what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. T his >> plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Reed" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> > >> > Monumental Brain Fart!!! >> > >> > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? >> > >> > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I >> > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but wa s >> > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to >> > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I w as >> > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would g ive >> > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough trav el? >> > >> > Bob Reed >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> To TR-4 builders >> >> >> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 >> >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculate d >> >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both >> >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 1 2 >> >> degrees. >> >> >> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both >> >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? >> >> >> >> Bob Reed >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matr - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:41 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron I have, not very often but have done them in a KIS4. Full rudder and a significant amount of aileron. HOWEVER, I never do them above 96KIAS. YMMV Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Alfred Rosa wrote: > Has anyone done extreme forward slips with full rudder and opposite > ailerons. > > On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Galin Hernandez wrote: > > I dont think have ever used full aileron deflection either. As Ed stated: > "This is not a fighter but a nice cruiser." > > On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Robert Reed wrote: > >> Thanks Bill, I think that I am close enough to specs that I shouldn't >> have any worries. >> >> Sure glad I decided to mount the ailerons BEFORE mounting the wings. >> Making good progress this summer despite the heat and humidity combining >> for a feels like in the 105 to 107 range. Hotter than that inside the >> hangar. >> >> Bob Reed >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Bill Schertz >> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 19, 2017 12:52 PM >> *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> Been a long time since measuring the travel, but when flying, almost >> imperceptible changes in aileron make you turn smartly. I think you have >> adequate travel. I don't think I have ever used full aileron travel >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ed Hanson >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:03 AM >> To: kis-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> I'll have to dig thru my builders notes next time I'm at the hangar to see >> what I noted but I'm not having any problem with aileron effectiveness. >> This >> plane is not a fighter just a nice cruiser. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Reed" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron >> >> >> > >> > Monumental Brain Fart!!! >> > >> > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? >> > >> > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like >> I >> > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but >> was >> > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed >> to >> > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I >> was >> > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would >> give >> > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough >> travel? >> > >> > Bob Reed >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> To TR-4 builders >> >> >> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 >> >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and >> calculated >> >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both >> >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired >> 12 >> >> degrees. >> >> >> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both >> >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? >> >> >> >> Bob Reed >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS >> - >> http://forums.matr - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.