---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/24/17: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:48 PM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Ed Hanson) 2. 06:53 PM - Re: Control movements Aileron (Robert Reed) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:46 PM PST US From: "Ed Hanson" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron Bob, looked thru my building notes today and relived some of the work on the ailerons. My notes include phases such as "more work today on the elusive 12 degree aileron travel", but also an entry that says I resolved the problem. I also note mixing up some epoxy and some #7 1/2 lead shot from old shotgun shells and pouring into the square counterweight tube for more weight to balance. Capped ends with flox. I Dremelled a small depression in the lower skin to allow the nut for the counterweight attach bolt to fit into to allow a little extra travel. Happy building! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Reed" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > Monumental Brain Fart!!! > > Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? > > Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I > had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was > using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to > add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I was > calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would give > a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel? > > Bob Reed > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >> >> >> To TR-4 builders >> >> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 >> & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated >> approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both >> ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 >> degrees. >> >> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both >> directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? >> >> Bob Reed >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:30 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron Ed My phrases were not quite as nice as yours but I had pre-fit everything before I mounted the wingtips which gave me the max needed movement but when I did the final balance I had to move the weight to account for paint. I also found that the installation had to be done in an exact sequence which I photo documented for future reference. Installing my removable hinge pins through less than a half inch wide slot was not fun and I had to alter my plans for safety bolt to safety wire for the pin lock. I ended up with almost exactly 12 degrees of movement. I have the next five days off and hopefully will get the wings installed by Tuesday. If not, Labor Day is the next weekend and I will get them mounted. Bob Sent from my iPad > On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Ed Hanson wrote: > > > Bob, looked thru my building notes today and relived some of the work on the ailerons. My notes include phases such as "more work today on the elusive 12 degree aileron travel", but also an entry that says I resolved the problem. I also note mixing up some epoxy and some #7 1/2 lead shot from old shotgun shells and pouring into the square counterweight tube for more weight to balance. Capped ends with flox. I Dremelled a small depression in the lower skin to allow the nut for the counterweight attach bolt to fit into to allow a little extra travel. > Happy building! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Reed" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Control movements Aileron > > >> >> Monumental Brain Fart!!! >> >> Can I blame it all on the 100 degree heat? >> >> Visually I kept looking at the up vs down movement and they looked like I had more than enough upward travel. Well I was not seeing things but was using a smart level that was a lot smarter than it's user. I had failed to add in the difference between the neutral position and zero degrees. I was calculating the difference. It turns out that my actual number would give a 11.4 degree minimum on down with more on up. Will that be enough travel? >> >> Bob Reed >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Robert Reed wrote: >>> >>> >>> To TR-4 builders >>> >>> The specifications for the ailerons indicates control movement of +12 & -12 degrees of movement. I just mounted both ailerons and calculated approx +7 & -11 degrees with slightly higher on right wing. Both ailerons have the counter weight hitting before reaching the desired 12 degrees. >>> >>> Can some of you check your numbers and are getting the 12 degrees both directions. Did you fully balance both ailerons? >>> >>> Bob Reed >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.