---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/15/17: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:36 AM - Re: ADS-B "Saved" me (Robert Reed) 2. 04:29 PM - Re: ADS-B "Saved" me (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:29 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: ADS-B "Saved" me Galin, Glad to hear that everything worked out OK and that is positive confirmatio n of the value of the ADS-B IN/OUT System.=C2- Lot of plane owners upset about having to spend the big bucks to add to production aircraft but sound s like it just paid for itself in your case.=C2- I am starting to acquire the components for a full Dynon based panel and wh ile they are not "CHEAP" by any measure they seem to be much more reasonabl y priced than anything else when putting together a full panel.=C2- I kno w you got the Dynon Skyview system, are you pleased with it?=C2- Did you get the 10" display or the 7"?=C2- I am currently planning (if the money permits) on the 10" HDX to start and adding the 7" at a later date after fl ying.=C2- Also leaving panel space for Certified GPS/NAV/COM to enable IF R in the future.=C2- Already have the engine monitors, ADAHRS, and GPS-20 20.=C2- Getting the components as needed and not before. Bob From: Galin Hernandez To: "kis-list@matronics.com" Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:03 PM Subject: KIS-List: ADS-B "Saved" me On Sept 7 I was IFR westbound on V198 at 4,00ft talking to Eglin approach o n my way to Milton, FL (2R4) when my SkyView display started giving me a "T raffic Warning". The ADS-B indicated I had traffic 3 miles out, approaching me head on at my same altitude. When the alert showed the traffic at 1 mil e, still approaching me head on and still at my altitude I firmly pulled th e nose up and turned to the right. A few seconds later I saw a twin engine airplane pass about 100ft below me to my left, where the ADS-B was showing. When I got over the "scare" I told the controller, in a firm voice, what ha d just happened and that I was a little upset. The controller sheepishly to ld me it was a Seneca maneuvering in that area. Immediately after, a differ ent voice came on the radio and told me the Seneca was behind me and no lon ger a factor. It gave me the impression the original controller, who was qu ite busy at the time, was a trainee. You can see my "evasive" maneuver on the FlightAware Track Log from 20:56:2 1Z to 20:58:07Z. What you can't see there is the affect it had on my underw ear. ;) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N819PR/history/20170907/1830Z/KBQK/2R4/t racklog When I got on the ground I filled out a NASA form just so my little grain o f salt is entered into the system. ADS-B is not a substitute for "see and avoid". But in this case I don't kno w if I would I have seen this traffic without the ADS-B "point out". Being able to know where to look was a significant factor in knowing what to do. I didn't actually see the other airplane until it was extremely close. Remember, ADS-B "IN" is a re-broadcast (TIS-B) of traffic being sent to som ebody with ADS-B "OUT". If you only have ADS-B "IN", the re-broadcast you r eceive is the traffic meant for the other guy, not necessarily the traffic near you. This can be VERY misleading and give a false sense of security fo r the person with only ADS-B in. I am so glad I have ADS-B "IN/OUT" in my a irplane. :) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:50 PM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: ADS-B "Saved" me I am SUPER pleased with my DYNON SkyView system especially their customer support. I have dual 7" displays with all the "bells & whistles". Here is a photo of my panel so you have an idea: =8B On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Robert Reed wrote: > Galin, > > Glad to hear that everything worked out OK and that is positive > confirmation of the value of the ADS-B IN/OUT System. Lot of plane owner s > upset about having to spend the big bucks to add to production aircraft b ut > sounds like it just paid for itself in your case. > > I am starting to acquire the components for a full Dynon based panel and > while they are not "CHEAP" by any measure they seem to be much more > reasonably priced than anything else when putting together a full panel. I > know you got the Dynon Skyview system, are you pleased with it? Did you > get the 10" display or the 7"? I am currently planning (if the money > permits) on the 10" HDX to start and adding the 7" at a later date after > flying. Also leaving panel space for Certified GPS/NAV/COM to enable IFR > in the future. Already have the engine monitors, ADAHRS, and GPS-2020. > Getting the components as needed and not before. > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* "kis-list@matronics.com" > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:03 PM > *Subject:* KIS-List: ADS-B "Saved" me > > On Sept 7 I was IFR westbound on V198 at 4,00ft talking to Eglin approach > on my way to Milton, FL (2R4) when my SkyView display started giving me a > "Traffic Warning". The ADS-B indicated I had traffic 3 miles out, > approaching me head on at my same altitude. When the alert showed the > traffic at 1 mile, still approaching me head on and still at my altitude I > firmly pulled the nose up and turned to the right. A few seconds later I > saw a twin engine airplane pass about 100ft below me to my left, where th e > ADS-B was showing. > > When I got over the "scare" I told the controller, in a firm voice, what > had just happened and that I was a little upset. The controller sheepishl y > told me it was a Seneca maneuvering in that area. Immediately after, a > different voice came on the radio and told me the Seneca was behind me an d > no longer a factor. It gave me the impression the original controller, wh o > was quite busy at the time, was a trainee. > > You can see my "evasive" maneuver on the FlightAware Track Log from > 20:56:21Z to 20:58:07Z. What you can't see there is the affect it had on my > underwear. ;) > > http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N819PR/history/20170907/1830Z/KBQK/2R4 / > tracklog > > When I got on the ground I filled out a NASA form just so my little grain > of salt is entered into the system. > > ADS-B is not a substitute for "see and avoid". But in this case I don't > know if I would I have seen this traffic without the ADS-B "point out". > Being able to know where to look was a significant factor in knowing what > to do. I didn't actually see the other airplane until it was extremely > close. > > Remember, ADS-B "IN" is a re-broadcast (TIS-B) of traffic being sent to > somebody with ADS-B "OUT". If you only have ADS-B "IN", the re-broadcast > you receive is the traffic meant for the other guy, not necessarily the > traffic near you. This can be VERY misleading and give a false sense of > security for the person with only ADS-B in. I am so glad I have ADS-B > "IN/OUT" in my airplane. > > :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.