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1. 03:22 AM - Re: Hinge Failure Video (pastormac@comcast.net)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Hinge Failure Video (Robert Reed)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Hinge Failure Video (M Ketteing)
4. 12:06 PM - Re: KIS-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (Peter Duran)
5. 12:06 PM - Re: KIS-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (Peter Duran)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Hinge Failure Video (Galin Hernandez)
7. 03:34 PM - How do you remove the flaps? (Galin Hernandez)
8. 03:46 PM - Re: Hinge Failure Video (Robert Reed)
9. 03:52 PM - Re: How do you remove the flaps? (Robert Reed)
10. 05:42 PM - Re: How do you remove the flaps? (Galin Hernandez)
11. 09:11 PM - Re: How do you remove the flaps? ()
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Failure Video |
Thank you!!
To our success, Stephen McIntosh
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You c
an view it at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Failure Video |
Galin
One thing that I am not clear on is how the hinge actually failed. Did the w
orn tabs all fail or did the loosened hinge pin fall out?
I know that I was paranoid and did an overkill on all of my hinges by doubli
ng the length and additional screws but the idea of just crimping the end to
retain the pins didn=99t appeal to me as being the right choice. I ad
ded a small tab to on end of each hinge with a small hole that a bolt could b
e inserted. Each hinge pin has a 90 degree bend and a loop that aligns with t
he tab. I put a small bolt through with lock nut after installing. I couldn
=99t get the bolt into a couple of them so I used safety wire to tie them
in place. The hinge pins can=99t come out no matter how loose the hin
ge.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You c
an view it at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Failure Video |
This sort of play should really be seen even on a preflight inspection let alone
an annual inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: KIS-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
Galin,
Thank you for sharing this valuable information. A picture/ video is worth
1000 words.
Pete
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> 1. 07:33 PM - Hinge Failure Video (Galin Hernandez)
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> Time: 07:33:16 PM PST US
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You
> can view it at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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> From: <mike@vision499.com>
> Subject: RE: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
>
> Hello Galin,
>
>
> Thanks for doing this, just amazing how much wear there was.
>
>
> Mike
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> Sent: June 21, 2018 7:33 PM
> Subject: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
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>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You ca
> n view it at:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | Re: KIS-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
Galin,
Thank you for sharing this valuable information. A picture/ video is worth
1000 words.
Pete
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> 1. 07:33 PM - Hinge Failure Video (Galin Hernandez)
> 2. 07:44 PM - Re: Hinge Failure Video ()
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> Time: 07:33:16 PM PST US
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You
> can view it at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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> From: <mike@vision499.com>
> Subject: RE: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
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> Hello Galin,
>
>
> Thanks for doing this, just amazing how much wear there was.
>
>
> Mike
>
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> Sent: June 21, 2018 7:33 PM
> Subject: KIS-List: Hinge Failure Video
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>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You ca
> n view it at:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Failure Video |
Bob; There was no indication of the actual hinge failing except the insides
being worn out. Then there is the fact the pin was nowhere to be found.
Otherwise the hinge looked normal. It fell out. If it would have been one
long hinge, the entire rudder would have failed catastrophically and I
would have been in real doggie do-do. But since it had two hinges, the
second hinge held long enough to safely land the airplane. That is why I
decided to add a 3rd hinge instead of making one super long hinge.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
> Galin
>
> One thing that I am not clear on is how the hinge actually failed. Did th
e
> worn tabs all fail or did the loosened hinge pin fall out?
>
> I know that I was paranoid and did an overkill on all of my hinges by
> doubling the length and additional screws but the idea of just crimping t
he
> end to retain the pins didn=99t appeal to me as being the right cho
ice. I
> added a small tab to on end of each hinge with a small hole that a bolt
> could be inserted. Each hinge pin has a 90 degree bend and a loop that
> aligns with the tab. I put a small bolt through with lock nut after
> installing. I couldn=99t get the bolt into a couple of them so I us
ed safety
> wire to tie them in place. The hinge pins can=99t come out no matte
r how
> loose the hinge.
>
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You
> can view it at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | How do you remove the flaps? |
Can anybody post a step-by-step method to remove the flaps on a KIS4?
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Failure Video |
Galin
That is what I suspected, the loosened pin was not locked in and fell out th
e bottom of the hinge. The way the original instructions said to secure the p
in just never seemed right to me.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 5:30 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob; There was no indication of the actual hinge failing except the inside
s being worn out. Then there is the fact the pin was nowhere to be found. Ot
herwise the hinge looked normal. It fell out. If it would have been one long
hinge, the entire rudder would have failed catastrophically and I would hav
e been in real doggie do-do. But since it had two hinges, the second hinge h
eld long enough to safely land the airplane. That is why I decided to add a 3
rd hinge instead of making one super long hinge.
>
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>> Galin
>>
>> One thing that I am not clear on is how the hinge actually failed. Did th
e worn tabs all fail or did the loosened hinge pin fall out?
>>
>> I know that I was paranoid and did an overkill on all of my hinges by dou
bling the length and additional screws but the idea of just crimping the end
to retain the pins didn=99t appeal to me as being the right choice. I
added a small tab to on end of each hinge with a small hole that a bolt cou
ld be inserted. Each hinge pin has a 90 degree bend and a loop that aligns w
ith the tab. I put a small bolt through with lock nut after installing. I co
uldn=99t get the bolt into a couple of them so I used safety wire to t
ie them in place. The hinge pins can=99t come out no matter how loose t
he hinge.
>>
>>
>> Bob Reed
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a short video of my KIS4 hinge failure and how to inspect it. You
can view it at:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVUYrrd7VE
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| Subject: | Re: How do you remove the flaps? |
Disconnect the connection from handle to flap control arm then lower the flaps
by hand until control arms slip out if the channel at end of flaps. Once flaps
are fully down the hinges should be accessible.
(My assumption was manual flaps. In my case I disconnect the flap motor and lower
flaps. )
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Can anybody post a step-by-step method to remove the flaps on a KIS4?
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| Subject: | Re: How do you remove the flaps? |
THANKS! The flap hinges are in excellent shape but, since I have new ones,
I am going to replace them anyways.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
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> Disconnect the connection from handle to flap control arm then lower the
> flaps by hand until control arms slip out if the channel at end of flaps.
> Once flaps are fully down the hinges should be accessible.
>
> (My assumption was manual flaps. In my case I disconnect the flap motor
> and lower flaps. )
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 22, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can anybody post a step-by-step method to remove the flaps on a KIS4?
>
>
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| Subject: | How do you remove the flaps? |
For a while there I could not understand the problem.
Then I realised I put nut plates on all my hinges, this makes it a breeze t
o remove and replace them, you only have to get to one side. I put a piece
of weed eater nylon through 2 holes on the hinge and then through the hole
s in the wing and pull it together with one hand and put the screws in with
the other. Also explains why I=99m not in the air yet.
Try these screws https://www.microfasteners.com/fcmxs0808-8-32-x-1-2-t15-10
0-degree-flat-head-6-lobe-drive-machine-screws-stainless.html
Keep well
Mike
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Galin Hernandez
Sent: June 22, 2018 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: How do you remove the flaps?
THANKS! The flap hinges are in excellent shape but, since I have new ones,
I am going to replace them anyways.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net <mailto:ro
bertr237@att.net> > wrote:
ertr237@att.net> >
Disconnect the connection from handle to flap control arm then lower the fl
aps by hand until control arms slip out if the channel at end of flaps. Onc
e flaps are fully down the hinges should be accessible.
(My assumption was manual flaps. In my case I disconnect the flap motor and
lower flaps. )
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com <mailto:
galinhdz@gmail.com> > wrote:
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> Can anybody post a step-by-step method to remove the flaps on a KIS4?
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