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1. 12:52 AM - Re: New (to me) LED Landing Lights (Ed Hanson)
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3. 03:01 AM - Re: New (to me) LED Landing Lights (Ed Hanson)
4. 04:05 AM - Re: New (to me) LED Landing Lights (Ed Hanson)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: New (to me) LED Landing Lights (Galin Hernandez)
6. 05:57 AM - Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Robert Reed)
7. 02:11 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Matthew Kuriger)
8. 03:08 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Bill Schertz)
9. 05:35 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Galin Hernandez)
10. 07:13 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
11. 07:17 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
12. 07:27 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
13. 07:47 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
14. 08:27 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
15. 08:36 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place ()
16. 09:32 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
17. 10:36 PM - Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place (Ed Hanson)
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Subject: | New (to me) LED Landing Lights |
Galin, did you get the spots or the combo units.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Galin Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:18 PM
Subject: KIS-List: New (to me) LED Landing Lights
In 2011 I replaced my two Halogen landing lights with two Aerosun 800 (only
the 1600's are currently produced). They put out a lot more light and use
significantly less current than Halogen. A few weeks ago a friend of mine i
nstalled a pair of BajaDesign Squadron Pro lights and I saw how much more l
ight they put out for about the same current draw. Unfortunately, they are
just a bit too big to install in the leading edge of my airplane wing, so I
ordered a pair of their smaller S2 Pro Lights and installed them. Even tho
ugh the Aerosun 800's are brighter than my old Halogens, the S2 Pro's are s
o much brighter. I have attached pictures so you can see the difference bet
ween them.=C2-
Neither of the two generate any RF interference in my fiberglass airplane w
hich was a big concern for me. The Aerosun 800 have a built in wig-wag circ
uit where the S2 Pro does not. In order to get them to wig-wag I will insta
ll a Crazed Pilot wig-wag unit which was highly recommended for this applic
ation.
So if you are looking to install some awesome LED landing lights in one of
our airplanes, I highly recommend either of these.
https://aeroleds.com/products/aerosun/
https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/S2-Pro.asp
https://www.crazedpilot.com/led-strobe-wig-wag-and-landing-light-controller
/
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Subject: | New (to me) LED Landing Lights |
Galin, did you get the spots or the combo units.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Galin Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:18 PM
Subject: KIS-List: New (to me) LED Landing Lights
In 2011 I replaced my two Halogen landing lights with two Aerosun 800 (only
the 1600's are currently produced). They put out a lot more light and use
significantly less current than Halogen. A few weeks ago a friend of mine i
nstalled a pair of BajaDesign Squadron Pro lights and I saw how much more l
ight they put out for about the same current draw. Unfortunately, they are
just a bit too big to install in the leading edge of my airplane wing, so I
ordered a pair of their smaller S2 Pro Lights and installed them. Even tho
ugh the Aerosun 800's are brighter than my old Halogens, the S2 Pro's are s
o much brighter. I have attached pictures so you can see the difference bet
ween them.=C2-
Neither of the two generate any RF interference in my fiberglass airplane w
hich was a big concern for me. The Aerosun 800 have a built in wig-wag circ
uit where the S2 Pro does not. In order to get them to wig-wag I will insta
ll a Crazed Pilot wig-wag unit which was highly recommended for this applic
ation.
So if you are looking to install some awesome LED landing lights in one of
our airplanes, I highly recommend either of these.
https://aeroleds.com/products/aerosun/
https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/S2-Pro.asp
https://www.crazedpilot.com/led-strobe-wig-wag-and-landing-light-controller
/
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Subject: | New (to me) LED Landing Lights |
Galin, did you get the spots or the combo units.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Galin Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:18 PM
Subject: KIS-List: New (to me) LED Landing Lights
In 2011 I replaced my two Halogen landing lights with two Aerosun 800 (only
the 1600's are currently produced). They put out a lot more light and use
significantly less current than Halogen. A few weeks ago a friend of mine i
nstalled a pair of BajaDesign Squadron Pro lights and I saw how much more l
ight they put out for about the same current draw. Unfortunately, they are
just a bit too big to install in the leading edge of my airplane wing, so I
ordered a pair of their smaller S2 Pro Lights and installed them. Even tho
ugh the Aerosun 800's are brighter than my old Halogens, the S2 Pro's are s
o much brighter. I have attached pictures so you can see the difference bet
ween them.=C2-
Neither of the two generate any RF interference in my fiberglass airplane w
hich was a big concern for me. The Aerosun 800 have a built in wig-wag circ
uit where the S2 Pro does not. In order to get them to wig-wag I will insta
ll a Crazed Pilot wig-wag unit which was highly recommended for this applic
ation.
So if you are looking to install some awesome LED landing lights in one of
our airplanes, I highly recommend either of these.
https://aeroleds.com/products/aerosun/
https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/S2-Pro.asp
https://www.crazedpilot.com/led-strobe-wig-wag-and-landing-light-controller
/
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Subject: | New (to me) LED Landing Lights |
Galin, did you get the spots or the combo units.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Galin Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:18 PM
Subject: KIS-List: New (to me) LED Landing Lights
In 2011 I replaced my two Halogen landing lights with two Aerosun 800 (only
the 1600's are currently produced). They put out a lot more light and use
significantly less current than Halogen. A few weeks ago a friend of mine i
nstalled a pair of BajaDesign Squadron Pro lights and I saw how much more l
ight they put out for about the same current draw. Unfortunately, they are
just a bit too big to install in the leading edge of my airplane wing, so I
ordered a pair of their smaller S2 Pro Lights and installed them. Even tho
ugh the Aerosun 800's are brighter than my old Halogens, the S2 Pro's are s
o much brighter. I have attached pictures so you can see the difference bet
ween them.=C2-
Neither of the two generate any RF interference in my fiberglass airplane w
hich was a big concern for me. The Aerosun 800 have a built in wig-wag circ
uit where the S2 Pro does not. In order to get them to wig-wag I will insta
ll a Crazed Pilot wig-wag unit which was highly recommended for this applic
ation.
So if you are looking to install some awesome LED landing lights in one of
our airplanes, I highly recommend either of these.
https://aeroleds.com/products/aerosun/
https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/S2-Pro.asp
https://www.crazedpilot.com/led-strobe-wig-wag-and-landing-light-controller
/
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Subject: | Re: New (to me) LED Landing Lights |
I got the spot units. On approach you can see the runway significantly
higher. They have enough "bleed over" to make taxiing with them a complete
non issue. Besides, we approach to land at about 80Kts while we taxi at
less than 15Kts.
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ed Hanson <hansoncp@netnitco.net> wrote:
> Galin, did you get the spots or the combo units.
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
> *From: *Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:18 PM
> *To: *kis-list@matronics.com
> *Subject: *KIS-List: New (to me) LED Landing Lights
>
>
> In 2011 I replaced my two Halogen landing lights with two Aerosun 800
> (only the 1600's are currently produced). They put out a lot more light and
> use significantly less current than Halogen. A few weeks ago a friend of
> mine installed a pair of BajaDesign Squadron Pro lights and I saw how much
> more light they put out for about the same current draw. Unfortunately,
> they are just a bit too big to install in the leading edge of my airplane
> wing, so I ordered a pair of their smaller S2 Pro Lights and installed
> them. Even though the Aerosun 800's are brighter than my old Halogens, the
> S2 Pro's are so much brighter. I have attached pictures so you can see the
> difference between them.
>
>
> Neither of the two generate any RF interference in my fiberglass airplane
> which was a big concern for me. The Aerosun 800 have a built in wig-wag
> circuit where the S2 Pro does not. In order to get them to wig-wag I will
> install a Crazed Pilot wig-wag unit which was highly recommended for this
> application.
>
>
> So if you are looking to install some awesome LED landing lights in one of
> our airplanes, I highly recommend either of these.
>
>
> https://aeroleds.com/products/aerosun/
>
> https://www.bajadesigns.com/products/S2-Pro.asp
>
>
> https://www.crazedpilot.com/led-strobe-wig-wag-and-landing-light-controller/
>
>
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Subject: | Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place |
All
I did my weight yesterday and I am heavy. I expected to be a little heavier than
the prototype but not 300+ lbs. I can account for some of that with the dual
alternator dual battery electrical system and my heavy interior.
Could some of you 4-place builders give me your empty and gross weights for comparison.
Also any comments on handling at near gross.
Bob Reed
Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place |
Hi Bob
Our KIS TR-4 (ZK-TEL) has an empty weight of 1553 pounds with
Continental IO-360 and MT constant speed propeller. The rest of the
aircraft is pretty standard as per plans, but has been well equipped
in terms of leather upholstery/carpets and steam gauges/vacuum system.
It has a simple electrical system (single battery/alternator).
We're currently replacing the existing battery with an EarthX ETX900
battery to reduce weight and move CoG rearward as the battery is on
the firewall. This will shed approx 20 pounds from the empty weight
making it 1533 lbs. Aircraft MAUW is 2,500 lbs.
Having completed a type rating for the aircraft recently at different
weights (including MAUW), I find the handling great at all weights.
However I can only compare against Cessnas (e.g. 172) that I have been
accustomed too.....
I found the biggest difference is on approach/landing, when one needs
to keep the speed up with some power (right up to the flare) to avoid
high sink rates, particularly at the higher weights. I have been using
final approach speed of 85 knots, 75 across threshold, with touchdown
speeds of 70 knots works well at heavier weights. We have only been
using 1st notch of flaps on landing (10 degrees), mainly due to high
flap handle loads for 2nd notch. Also, our aircraft has a listed clean
stalling speed at MAUW (Vs) of 61 knots, and a stalling speed landing
config at MAUW (Vso) of 56 knots. We have not checked the accuracy /
calibration of our airspeed system yet at lower speeds.
Matt Kuriger
> On 7/01/2019, at 2:54 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> All
>
> I did my weight yesterday and I am heavy. I expected to be a little heavier
than the prototype but not 300+ lbs. I can account for some of that with the
dual alternator dual battery electrical system and my heavy interior.
>
> Could some of you 4-place builders give me your empty and gross weights for comparison.
Also any comments on handling at near gross.
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place |
Bob
Empty wt 1436
Can't send wt &bal spreadsheet since my computer is it working with email now.
Tested to 2450 , and flew fine
Bill
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 6, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>
> All
>
> I did my weight yesterday and I am heavy. I expected to be a little heavier
than the prototype but not 300+ lbs. I can account for some of that with the
dual alternator dual battery electrical system and my heavy interior.
>
> Could some of you 4-place builders give me your empty and gross weights for comparison.
Also any comments on handling at near gross.
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place |
My BEW is 1,393lbs. A Lycoming O360-A4M with a CATTO 3bladed composite
propeller and everything else basically as per original plans.
With Rich we tested it at 2,500lbs but just for takeoff not landing. The
max we landed was at 2,400lbs. The airplane handled just fine at these
weights. At 2,500lbs it climbed and maneuvered like a C-172 with a 180Hp
engine. FWIW I use a max takeoff weight of 2,500lbs but normally takeoff at
about 2,300lbs. But even if I takeoff at 2,500lbs, I use a max landing
weight of 2,300lbs.
For landing speeds I find that the airplane really likes approaching at
85Kts (1 notch of flaps), slowing down to 75Kts (full flaps) on short final
then pulling the nose up slightly and touching down at 65Kts. Not that much
different from what Matt Kuriger uses. At significantly lower weights, I
use 80Kts, 70Kts and 60Kts for the speeds. With the CATTO propeller, unless
I do something dumb (which is not very uncommon) the landings are as smooth
as a C-172.
YMMV
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 6:08 PM Bill Schertz <wschertz343@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob
> Empty wt 1436
> Can't send wt &bal spreadsheet since my computer is it working with email
> now.
> Tested to 2450 , and flew fine
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 6, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > All
> >
> > I did my weight yesterday and I am heavy. I expected to be a little
> heavier than the prototype but not 300+ lbs. I can account for some of
> that with the dual alternator dual battery electrical system and my heavy
> interior.
> >
> > Could some of you 4-place builders give me your empty and gross weights
> for comparison. Also any comments on handling at near gross.
> >
> > Bob Reed
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Weight Station
Nose Wheel 420.50 -8.00
Left Main 585.00 59.00
Right Main 551.00 59.00
Total 1,556.50
My weights are also much higher than spec. I knew I was building heavy but
it was a lot more than I expected.
That explains where all the extra gallons of resin and yds of cloth that I
got went.
I know where 150 lbs are but I'm not sure I'm prepared for the effort to
remove it.
Robert, could you please give us a breakdown of how much of your weight is
on the nose wheel and how much on the mains
Good luck
Mike
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From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
<owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Robert Reed
Sent: January 6, 2019 5:54 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Weights for KIS Cruiser 4-place
All
I did my weight yesterday and I am heavy. I expected to be a little heavier
than the prototype but not 300+ lbs. I can account for some of that with
the dual alternator dual battery electrical system and my heavy interior.
Could some of you 4-place builders give me your empty and gross weights for
comparison. Also any comments on handling at near gross.
Bob Reed
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